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  • lazycis
    02-15 11:52 AM
    Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.

    Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.

    The purpose was to jump start and find somebody who is willing to help himself/herself. If there is no such person out of 100+ who voted "yes", there is no point in further discussion. I have enough on my plate (I am still helping a number of people fighting in district an appellate courts). Also I think it's easier to discuss it via yahoo group.





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  • mantric
    12-14 01:46 PM
    many of the immigration laws that are affecting us were put in place way before the IT boom that brought most of us here. people are right that the intention behind them is not malicious. but a law set in the 1960s may turn out to have a discriminatory effect in the 2000s. circumstances change and we live in the present not in the past.

    lazycis case was good at pointing out the key clause in the constitution that may help us. it's the due process clause in the 14th amendment, which extends not just to citizens.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process_clause

    "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    lazycis case argument is a case from 1975 of a case for retired people over 65 who had been in the country less than 5 years, drawing state medicare benefits.

    the EB community has on other hand has a median age of 32, most have stayed here for 5-10 years at least, consists of net contributors to the US economy and has passed many educational, legal and career barriers to get here. after all this just when our careers are about to fly, many of us find our opportunities being crushed because of our nationality.

    mbartosik case argument is of prisoners in gitmo. even they could challenge the court and get something better than what they had - a military tribunal vs no tribunal earlier.

    are we pension drawing dependants of state, or criminals or prisoners to suffer silently for years and years like this at the prime of our lives ?

    is'nt the EB community being deprived of liberty ? has the EB community received due process ?

    the tipping point from influencing the lawmakers to challenging the laws in court comes when people realise that lawmakers are indifferent to their cause for whatever reason, and some way is needed to bring attention to their immediate suffering.

    before we rush to say checkmate with a particular strategy, let's understand the chessboard and the moves available on it. by knowing our rights under the constitution that's all we are doing. this knowledge may be useful in influencing the lawmakers also, in raising the caps for example to reduce the discriminatory consequences of current laws.

    agreed that we need an abundance of caution and we will most likely lose the case given we are arguing from a position of extreme weakness. yet the constitution does promise us due process as residents of this great land. let's think about that as well.

    some precedents for legal challenges to immigration laws exist on the ACLU and Rajiv Khanna websites.





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  • g03
    01-14 10:00 AM
    I had a similar thought (about including EB3 too and going by priority date)
    and sent a letter to local congressman yesterday afternoon.
    He has not responded yet.
    My company agreed to port mine to EB2 but I'll support this provision having spent my time in EB3 category.





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  • agiridhar
    04-29 01:20 AM
    Indeed good for the community.
    wouldn't it be even better when investigations are carried out on the substitued cases and action be taken on employers and their law firms ?
    Wouldn't it be better to bring a law to prohibit employer's taking money from the employees to file h1's and gc's ?
    Not sure what kind of a law could police/monitor an employer taking cash from the employee ?

    Any thots ?



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  • dilipcr
    06-12 07:03 PM
    Grassley bill will not close the door for immigrants but will decrease substanially from 200k(H1+L1) to 80k. But retrogession will go down and those 80k will have less problem in getting green card. You can chose whether to allow unlimited L1 and 125K h1b and 10 to 15 years waiting time or allow 30K L1 + 50K H1b and 3 to 5 years waiting time in green card. Which option will be better for you? If your skills are not good certainly you will not want any restrictions. If your skills are excellent you will survive whatever restrictions they put. They cannot reduce H1b below 65k as that is a part of WTO. So there is no one can block H1b program.

    Exactly what I had tried to express, you have succinctly put them in numbers. Thank you





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  • gjoe
    02-14 04:20 PM
    [QUOTE=paskal;223415]

    I could be a member of drink-raw-milk Club. Am I supposed to declare that on I-485? ;)

    Yes, I guess so. If the drink raw milk club is a registered orginization.

    Disclosure : I am not a lawyer, please check with your legal ......no just save that money for a rainy day
    :)



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  • mbartosik
    12-13 11:45 AM
    There may or may not be constitution grounds to challenge the law, I've thought about this too, however from a pragmatic point of view....

    1) The money needed to pay the lawyers would likely be more than for lobbying. Importantly money for legal costs is best to be on hand -- i.e. good cash flow, otherwise you risk missing legal deadlines. It would mean diverting money from lobbying. If we were flush with cash e.g. every member paid just $100 per year this would work.

    2) Even among members of congress that are behind us, several have reservations about removing country cap (although they are willing to raise it).

    3) EB3 ROW is retrogressed anyway. India EB3 is about May 2001, and ROW EB3 Oct 2002. The effect of only removing country quota would be put EB3 generally at about Oct 2001.

    The way to move forward for all is to increase total through put, e.g. raise caps, remove dependents from caps, recapture unused quota, tie caps to multiple of H1B quota. For ROW it would move steadily forward, and India move and then would jump forward every 4th quarter with massive spill over from ROW.

    As I said I'm not against the idea in principle, just being pragmatic.





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  • bostonian28
    06-17 04:08 PM
    Chill out guys, looks like emotions are running very high on this thread.

    The purpose of this thread is to talk about predictions for Oct 09, lets focus on that, also each of us is frustrated in a different way, may be this is a forum where in one can come and vent their frustrations, pls be more empathetic towards all...

    On a side note, we should probably start a polling to see how many folks are interested to spend (lets say) 5000$ to get a GC, if the number is high we should probably focus our efforts on hiring a lobbying company and push our agenda, that is the only way out of this situation, only throwing money will ensure our plight is heard appropriately in DC.

    So again, pls be more empethatic to others, even if you do not agree, this is a good community we all should be helping each other even when we do not agree.



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  • sanju
    04-16 10:22 AM
    OK, Its your opinion and that shows your civic sense. But why are you posting the same again and again?

    GCKaMaara is right, different people operate at different IQ level.

    When there is so much of repeated junk in this thread from the people who think they are political strategist, then what's wrong in posting a fun youtube video twice?




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  • snathan
    01-15 04:05 PM
    I agree, but its sort of v late. We know, i dont know want to name but majority of the people come from one particular state, and most cases of fraud/body shops are from them. They are all settled since the the Y2K era, even though they never deserved on merit basis.

    Lets not start another stupid fight here. We are all concerned about the new memo and we are all going to get affacted. Lets focus on cause and remedy.



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  • H1B-GC
    02-06 01:31 PM
    I even read somewhere that once labor gets approved,Employer got to file I-140 within 60 days or so.





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  • mihird
    10-09 03:34 PM
    I too am in the US for 6 years now and because my lawyer insisted on transferring to H1 status from TN before filing the GC (wasted a full year in that waiting for the quota to open up), it has gotten me to this state...

    Overall, I still feel, its cleaner to go from H1 to GC. TN to GC requires careful planning and deeper understanding of the laws. Strictly going by the books though, TN is not a dual intent status, so the road to the GC might get murcky...



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  • JA1HIND
    02-13 07:37 AM
    How about everyone who came up with this idea on this thread. Why should IV core or murthy or someone do this ?

    Does any one on this forum happen to know an approximate dollar amount that would cost for if we (IV team) is planning to proceed further with this class action law suite on USCIS?? the reason I am asking for is if we have known dollar amount/target amount in hand it makes it easy for all to start contributing towards this target amount and proceed further with law suite.

    I am sure someone on IV team would create a separate bucket for this specific class action law suite task and keep track of amount that's been collected...

    Yes, I totally support this class action suite and also willing to support as mush as I can financially....





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  • LostInGCProcess
    05-01 07:02 PM
    Sri Lankan Tamils may not be Indian citizens but are etinic Indians and that is what their problem is and it is the problem in several other places like Malasiya, Fiji, Trinidad etc. these people are still called Indians in these countries and being discriminated. India being a powerful nation should protect the rights of ethnic Indians, but it doesn't....most or all of us know the reasons, it is being ruled by a lame duck govt. who cannot protect citizens living within the Indian boundries, so even if they try to interfere in other countries affairs, I'm sure even a smal coutry like Sri Lanka has guts to say Shoooo!!!! to our foreign Minister. India does not have any respect whatsoever in the world politics now, whatever was earned during the NDA govt. is all lost, nobody sees India with any respect any more, so atleast in my mind I know the answer why India is turning a blind eye towards the killing of Tamils in Sri Lanka & blatant Human Rights murder by a tiniest neighbor

    I agree with you. It really amazes me that India is not even saying "something" being a so-called "super-power" in south Asia. Until the last generation of politicians are out of the indian political system, nothing is going to change when it comes to the image or pride of India. At least we should exert out strength and take a leadership role in South Asia and show our power.



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  • qualified_trash
    06-21 03:11 PM
    Friends,

    Don't waste your time on this. The American employers will never agree to this as LC belongs to them and they don't want to waste time, money and effort again and again. The only problem I see is our desi consulting companies misusing this privilege.

    I would say lets not waste our time as DOL/USCIS is trying to formulate ways to check 'LC Substitution Fraud'. At the same time they don't want to penalize the legitimate substitutions where an employee is already working for the same company for years.

    fighting retrogression and 485 filing during retrogression are important than this.

    Its my opinion only, pls take it on a lighter note...

    - Rishi
    very true ..................... but it is legal so ......... maybe we should all use it.

    I know for a fact that this happens in companies (IT - product development and professional services) and I know this because a friend of mine (our kids play together these days so VERY close) was a beneficiary of such an LC and today has a GC and perm job to die for.......... I ofcourse will NOT disclose the name of the company or person for obvious reasons..........

    He worked hard during his MS days to make it here and is just reaping the benefits of his hard work and ingenuity in identifying the opportunity in a legal system gone kaput.......... so no fault of his.





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  • Googler
    02-20 03:03 PM
    And then there this piece of info from Ron Gotcher posted on Feb 14, 2008
    http://immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4285
    "Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:

    In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
    EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year."

    I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. So I guess at least as of 2/14/08 he thought moving the date to 12/1/03 would more than mop up whatever was leftover from EB-1 India. Given the end of the FBI boondoggle (the effects of which have not been quantified by Oppenheim or USCIS) I'd predict that even a date in early 2002 would be good enough to mop up. Let us see if he changes his mind by mid March.

    See update on this discussion on this thread (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=17450).



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  • chintu25
    09-24 10:16 AM
    Emailed All

    :rolleyes: Whatever works :rolleyes:

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  • eb3_nepa
    06-28 05:15 PM
    Still, just because DOS told USCIS "Visas are exhausted" doesnt mean they should stop ACCEPTING new petitions. They can stop APPROVING new ones, but why stop ACCEPTING new petitions. Visa bulletins guide the filing as well as approval of petitions. If visa bulletins is current, then they can both accept and approve petitions.


    Logiclife No offense but I would keep pushing your lawyer. If he was REALLY confident, he would have stuck to his guns and filed at the end of July, the very fact that he has said he will file in the Beginning of July means that he knows, s**t happens FAST when USCIS is concerned ;)





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  • snram4
    01-18 12:39 PM
    There is no doubt Everyone knows that H1b and GC laws are crazy. For that we need to fight to change the law but should not encourage to violate the law. If USCIS violates law lawsuit should be filed. That is the rightway.
    Isn't that the point what all anti-consulting folks are making here ? They want all existing laws (plus all laws they themselves created to satisfy their sadistic self) to be strictly followed. If that is the case snram4's relative should have been deported.

    What many do not understand is H1B laws are insane and irrational. Many from our country doesn't have the guts to fight crazy laws. All they are good at is screwing their own fellow country men out of jealousy or selfishness.

    Do all these folks follow law judiciously in their life ? I don't think so. Some of the folks here acting like bhagat singh came to this stage of life climbing over loads of corruption.





    Kushal
    07-28 12:23 AM
    Amway guys motto is to harass people even after you say NO and its been the same experienced by some of my friends and see similar ones in this thread as well. So again in plain english No means NO.. (If you did not understand what i said in plain english..)

    "If you are not interested why would they bother you?"
    Ask your amway friends/buddies and you are more than welcome to join them in the backseat of a police car with handcuffs.. :D..

    Sure with dead bobhead braincells of yours, nobody expects your self image to be high enough. Its not for wimps wearing zippers to the side like you. If you are man enough come and talk to me, and will see who gets handcuffed.





    alisa
    06-28 08:35 PM
    June 28, 2007
    USCIS: RUMORS OF EARLY VISA RETROGRESSION

    Late Wednesday, rumors emerged that the USCIS may attempt to retrogress the July immigrant visa numbers early in July and reject I- 485 (adjustment of status) applications filed early in the month. USCIS has taken such action already with respect to the �other worker� visa category involving non-professional workers.

    Visa availability is based on the U.S. Department of State Visa Bulletin, which is published monthly, not on a rolling basis. If USCIS cuts off visa numbers in mid-month, this would be a clear violation of Federal law and agency policy. If the USCIS were to take this arbitrary action, it would cause significant problems for applicants and employers alike.

    If USCIS cuts off applications on a certain date in early July, this will most likely occur without advance warning. In that case, not all applications will be accepted for processing. Be aware that that USCIS will reject an application unless it contains certain minimum supporting documents. For I-485 applications, minimum documents include a completed medical examination and birth certificates (or secondary evidence of birth, which must meet specific USCIS requirements). Applications for dependent spouses must include a marriage certificate. We strongly recommend that I-485 applicants obtain these and other requested documents as soon as possible. Until further notice, please do not plan to travel internationally during the month of July.

    We will work as hard and as diligently as possible to get I-485 applications filed quickly. This will require active cooperation by all applicants to obtain needed documents. Again, please understand that the proposed USCIS action is just rumor at this point, but if the USCIS takes such action, it will likely be without warning. Further, it is possible that there could be retroactive rejections of applications once filed. Unfortunately, this is all we know at this time. We do not know when and if any such actions will occur; we will also not know immediately which, if any, cases are rejected once they have been submitted.

    The attorneys at XXXXX are shocked and disappointed that the government could take such ill-thought and arbitrary steps and we will work to fight any illegal action by the USCIS. We are continuing to monitor the USCIS� actions and will provide updates as they become available

    Folks.
    It might be a cruel joke that USCIS plays on us.
    They can do whatever they want.

    For heaven's sake, lets just accept it, and hope for the best.