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  • samay
    07-28 04:32 PM

    I have filled I-140 in last week of March 2008. My priority date(the day I file labor) is 15-Sep-2007. My labor got approved.

    My I-140 is under EB2 India.

    Today I checked status of my I-140 on

    It says :



    On July 25, 2008, we mailed a notice requesting initial evidence in this case. Please follow the instructions on the notice to submit the evidence requested. Meanwhile, processing of this case is on hold until we either receive the evidence or the opportunity to submit it expires. Once you submit the evidence requested and a decision is made, you will be notified by mail. If you move while this case is pending, please use our Change of Address online tool to update your mailing address.

    How much serious this is?? it says "REQUEST FOR INITIAL EVIDENCE SENT"

    I am waiting for RFI/RFE details as USCIS mailed it on July, 25 2008.


    Is this means that they are processing my case?? Once I will give response to this RFE & they find everything fine than they will approve it(Hopefully) !!!!!!!

    I will really appreciate your response.

    Please reply me ASAP.


    Relax and send all the documents requested by the USCIS. They might ask you for additional documents later based on what they receive from you or may approve your case.

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  • senthil1
    03-18 11:15 AM
    You are using labor substitution and also trying to use Part time work done by you in the college. Think yourself it is correct or not. I am sure it is the mistake of company. Many people in the forum are having 10 years of experience but waiting so long. So the the frustration is acceptable.

    Labor substitution is not correct and injustice to those who are waiting for long time even if it is not sold. Legally it may be correct but this practice must be abolished. Only less than 10% of labor substitutions are genueine and others are causing delays to those who are waiting long time.Companies especially consulting companies are using every loophole in the immigration to make money. For example when there is no H1b they are bringing by L1 eventhough that position is not eligible for L1. Actually american system is Law to monitor companies and indivdual are so liberal and expected to follow Ethics. But nowadays in immigration they are trying to find every loophole in the immigration to increase the revenues of Company.

    Mr. Janak,
    Do you understand English? First of all, i had mentioned, i am BEING offered, meaning i havent gone for the labor yet and even if i do there will be no buying or selling involved.
    Second of all, i am sick and tired of stereotype Indians like you, who ASSUME everything without knowing anything and come out with your own theories from the bizzarro world [i know, pathetic loosers like to vent at any and every opportunities they get. Spare me your crap, if u dont know anything and cant help, then just stay quiet.]

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  • u.misc
    01-25 02:46 PM
    From the day I came to this country , I have spent around $12,000 on immigration including H1-Bs, filing GC, APs, EADs extra. Not to mention the traveling for visa stamps and whole other shit load of expenses. I guess most of people who paid for filing GC did spent same amount of money.

    Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.

    AILA should. I heard a lots of para legal staffs are already lost their jobs. Because there were less H1, and GC filings. Actually there is a huge economy based on immigration. If USCIS just changes the rules as they want that would affect lots of US citizens not just few immigrants.

    Lets see which businesses/people are making money out of immigration related activities.
    1) Attorney
    2) Paralegal staff
    3) Shipping guys (usps, fedex, etc)
    4) Airlines (because immigrant workers has to visit their home country periodically)
    5) Consulate
    6) USCIS
    7) Contractors in USCIS
    8) Port of Entry/customs staffs
    9) Notaries
    10) Doctors/hospitals for getting medical clearance for 485, etc
    11) Passport photo shops
    12) Airport staffs
    13) ....

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  • kate123
    09-25 07:14 PM
    Here is the link:
    Visa Bulletin for July 2008 (

    Here is the snippet from

    Section 202(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act states that if total demand for visas in an Employment preference category is insufficient to use all available visa numbers in that category in a calendar quarter, then the unused numbers may be made available without regard to the annual per-country limit.

    It appears that DOS does spill-over every quarter.


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  • srkamath
    07-30 09:10 AM
    this makes no sense (with all due respect to Mr Gotcher). He basically claims that PD has been moved to allow CP cases to be processed faster to avoid visa number wastage.. However he also says that there is a huge backlog of AOS cases. Looking at how many CP cases are being called for interview in mumbai and delhi (low hundreds) I dont see how CP alone can help avoid a big wastage of visas. If USCIS is still 20k short, then its the massive pile of AOS cases they should be using, just like they did last year.

    Also, if they waste visa numbers this year, it would be really gross incompetence. EB2-India has gone all the way from 2000 to 2006 this year. They slack off at the start of the year, then scramble in the end. I dont know why they follow this approach knowing full well that right at the end it puts them in a soup.

    This Ron Gotcher guy does not seem to get it.... he has an agenda, I dont buy his logic. It is unlikely that ~ 50 cases at consular posts are enough motivation to move dates forward by two years.

    It took roughly one year for EB2-I dates to advance beyond April04 from the time it first got to April 04.
    We know 2005 is a lean year.
    It is likely that it will take almost a year before EB2-I dates advance beyond June06.
    Those with PD < June06 that do not get a GC by Sep08 can expect to get it by Sep 09. Until then we will see some short term swings between 2003 and 2006.

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  • jchan
    05-29 03:18 PM
    Well, I think the discussion is about people playing by rules are getting pushed back by those exploiting loopholes.

    Some members were trying to say we should not fight fraud because the root cause is insufficient visa number (and country quota). While he was right about the root cause, that does not mean we can't do the two things at the same time.

    See what happened to H1B when USCIS acted seriously about fraud? Most of the fake 'employers' or those applying H1B only to rotate people in the US got the message and really thought twice before they file a case. Result: two months from 04/01, there are still 20k H1B quota left. And this didn't even need any legislative change.

    What if USCIS starts scrutinizing EB1 cases for multi national executives? In no time they will find 50% of employee from an Indian IT firm are executives. This is not hard -- by common sense a very very small portion of employee are executives.

    Someone said we would do the same if in their position. Well they didn't know some people do have a line of morality. I am from China. There are many ways to apply refugee being a Chinese -- one child policy, Fa Lun Gong, etc. Yet I refused to do that and most of my countrymen didn't.

    If you didn't have patience to read every word of my reply, what I wanted to say is, fighting fraud and advocating more visa numbers are not mutual exclusive. We do not have to unite those who get their Green Card by fraud, because our interest are not the same with theirs.

    Can not agree more.

    We get engaged in all kinds of discussions EB1 Vs EB2, EB-I Vs EB ROW. bulletin predictions...But we all skilled immigrants can not figure out how to unite and resolve the big issue of backlog. When one person suggests any initiative( flower campaign, call campaign, letter campaign etc.) more 20 people hammer him or her and spend their full energy in proving how suggested idea will not work. Next time the guy does not even think about suggesting anything. On top of that some will come up with their line" Have you contributed, If not then do that first".Our lack of unity will keep us here for a long time to come. In coming months and years, some people will lose interest, stop visiting this site and move on. Others will come to see if there is any POSITIVE news and some will still keep fighting over the issues of EB1 vs EB2 vs India vs China Vs ROW.

    Good Luck


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  • MYGC2008
    09-17 12:22 PM
    Here is what I want to understand.

    EB2 ROW is CURRENT except INDIA AND CHINA. EB2 ROW will get 28.6% of 140000.
    This means 40040. How they are going to divide these visa between INDIA and CHINA?
    This is NOT SpillOver. I know there is 7% rule, but other countries are always Current.

    And EB1 is CURRENT and considering Bad economy very few cases will be filed under EB1.

    What will happen to those 40040 Visa? If those spillover to EB2 ROW, we may see a large quantity of Visa numbers for EB2.

    Considering 50% of each EB1 and EB2 visas consumed by other than INDIA AND CHINA, still we should get aroud 40040 visas this year.If you furher divide 50% between INDIA and CHINA, both will get 20020, Which might be sufficient to cross 2005.

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  • samay
    07-22 11:39 AM
    I am in the 6th year of H1B. 6 year term expires in March 5, 2009.

    My Company filed LC in June 2008.

    Assuming my LC is cleared by this year end, I-140 Filed around Jan 2009.

    Can i get 7th H1B Year extension, if my company files H1B extension by Feb 2009.

    In which cases 7th Year extension will be rejected.

    If your LC gets cleared by the year end you can apply for I-140 by premium processing and once that gets cleared your company can file for a three year extension for you.


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  • kaisersose
    07-17 10:50 AM
    Assuming that the spill overs are effected only in the last (JAS) quarter, there wont be any significant movement for EB2. Until and otherwise the supply is more than demand, EB2 will not move forward significantly.

    But I wish EB2 becomes current in the near future. Correct me if i am wrong.

    How "near" is near? For EB2 to become current, the current policy of horizontal spillover should reamin in effect through Fiscal 2009. if that holds true, then as spillover takes effect typically after the first 6 months, we should see movement in India EB2 again, starting from April/May 2009 and there is good possiblity that EB2-India may reach somewhere close to July 2007, if not current.

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    07-03 06:48 PM
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  • nogc_noproblem
    07-25 03:03 AM
    VDLRAO - You brought lot of valid points which supported by authentic statistics. But surprisingly Ron’s comment about the Aug bulletin is totally vague. You can throw the numbers to prove your claim but I don’t think Ron really has any such numerical explanation for his statement.

    With all due respect, I beg to differ from Ron (probably for the first time).

    I doubt it whether he knows about the USCIS has changed the spill overs to horizontal fall outs and due to that the number of visas added to EB2 India/China. The horizontal spill over is giving a greatest adventage to EB2 India and making it run to catch up CURRENT. I see in the link , in one post he is predicting " I expect to see substantial worldwide EB3 movement during the next fiscal year." . But its not true because the EB3 world wide wont have many visas as before from now on. The EB3 world wide will move based on the 7% quota but not more than that.

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  • kumarc123
    11-06 02:09 PM
    IV is started for one cause, that is to eliminate the unfair country quota and speed up the green card process. Let us stick with that.Do not divert by introducing these kind of proposals.

    Few weeks before there was a fight between eb3 and eb2 applicants on this forum. Now you are starting a new group which favors who has money. This is not good. Let us unite and focus on one goal. I am not supporting this idea. Please drop this.


    Dude stop complaining and do what is expected for IV, I am not in a position right now to buy a house, but I do favor the idea. Mainly because this type of movement will create awareness among American people. Above all like the moderator said, the the Que will decrease. I understand your anguish and anxiety, please lets do something and not just waste our time complaining.

    Recently we have more number of people complaining rather doing something. I understand we all are worried and anxious, but we need to keep doing something constructive, rather than complaining.


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  • ufo2002
    05-11 02:04 PM
    I agree with jnayar here... but everyone keep in mind that no system is perfect. But the US employment-based system has serious flaws... especially in today's more globalised-based economy. The requirement that someone stays in the "same job role / same employer" throughout the green card process probably made sense back in the old days when people usually tend to work their entire lives for one company. Today, that no longer makes sense. Employers everywhere almost have worker turnarounds of 2 years on average. That means given the average GC process is about 6 years, you could be looking at someone potentially changing employers 3 times!
    Would anyone like to continue working on the same role/salary for 6 years, given that costs of living increase annually? Of course not.

    I know that Australia has a "job-based" PR process, but it doesn't bind you to one specific employer... so at least you do have the freedom to decide what job you would like to take on.

    The question of immigration to which country is better would probably yield one and the same answer based on the parameters that appear relevant to most people. However, the comparison of immigration processes and systems is an entirely different question - in theory, an employment based immigration system would be a lot better if it is based on correct assumptions. However, an employmet based system that ties an employee to the same job for the duration of the application process, and which requires that the same application processing be redone every time an employee changes jobs, while curtailing the maximum period of time the employee can work in the country is flawed. If the reasoning behind this is that the employee has to show that he/she is indespensible to that one job (with all the highly specific skills that come attached to the job description) which no US citizen/resident is qualified to do, should statistics not show that the majority of positions for which green cards were applied for and obtained have the same employee continuing in that role long after the said employee gets a green card? I would be very surprised if the numbers show that a significant number of employees stick around for any period longer than a year or so in their current, gc-approved roles (and by that, I mean the exact same role for which the GC was applied for - be it with the same company or elsewhere.). In a dynamic market for labor where "skillability" and "learnability" are much more important than current skills and learning, how important is the applicability of a person's current skills to a job that would anyway keep evolving or even changing altogether, during the 6 years of so that a person is employed in that capacity while waiting for the green card?

    Just my $0.02.

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  • Macaca
    06-28 07:51 PM
    I am analyzing for EB-2 (India). The current date for EB-2 India was Apr 1 2004 for month of June.

    Retrogression started Oct 1 2005. Before Oct 1 2005, persons with PD < Oct 1 2005 (remember PERM) could have submitted I-485. Some (not all remember namecheck) of these would be ready for adj June 1st 2007. These applicants can be divided into 2 categories: those with PD <= Apr 1 2004 and those with PD > Apr 1 2004.

    Applicants in first category will get GC in June and applicants in 2nd category will get GC in Jul. These applicants can exhaust 2007 quota.

    USCIS is taking 3 weeks for notification of 485's submiited in June. I would be very surprised if they process a June submission in < 3 months. So chances of June applicant using GC number are low.

    USCIS knew # applicants in above 2 categories: this appears trivial. If these applicants exhaust 2007 quota, USCIS knew that quota will get exhausted in Jul. The date can be of their choosing since the work involved must be pretty low.

    A similar analysis can be done for any other category. Correct me if my dates are wrong.


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  • AirWaterandGC
    05-09 09:19 PM
    I do have my CA PR. Waiting for US GC, my CA PR clock is ticking. Once I am more than 3 years past in the CA PR card and if I still dont go to CA, I understand that my CA PR may not be renewed. My question is : Is is possible to at least enter CA for the last (during 5th) year of CA PR ? Also is it possible to re-apply for the CA PR once I am say 4 years done in my CA PR life without entering CA ? Gurus , please shed some light.

    On another note : I would request no one to make offensive remarks about a great country like Canada. It may not have as many opportunities as US has or be a lot more restricitve in providing licensure to some professionals, but please bear in mind that it has provided respect to some of us by making some of us it PR .... which the great US is still to bestow on us. Even when we have not contributed a single cent to CA or its economy while we have earned/contributed millions to the US / its economy.

    Stop the bashing of countries with stupid generalizations like cost of living and bad doctors. This is ridiculous. See my other posts dispelling Canadian misconceptions. That your friends or whoever has had badluck in Canada is probably as much due to their lack of perperation and research before going there coupled with their socialist sense of entitlement.

    And for all you considering going to Canada, it's not rocket science. Look for a job BEFORE you go. Heck, take a vacation and go there if you get some interviews. I don't care if your doctor friend is driving a taxi cab - they should have known that there is a foreign credential issue going on in that country before they pack up their family and go there (and hopefully this will be ironed out - it is a problem and a big debate right now).

    But it's not like there isn't a way to work around it (suck it up and do what you have to do for recertification - yes it's troublesome, but at least your fate is in your own hands, and you're not stuck in retrogression at the mercy of others). And if you think you have more opportunities in the US, why is it that the majority of H1Bs are being sucked up by desi body shops who just turn around and indenture you? Is that considered a wonderful opportunity ( i guess it is)? How many of you can actually work for a non-desi company? Imagine if they didn't exist. Too bad Canada doesn't have the same body shops, eh. Oh the irony.

    It boggles my mind that people take up and leave to a country without actually looking into the job market or thinking everything would be hunky dory. There's something called the internet. Look for Canadian jobs, apply, get feedback, attend job fairs in Canada, tap your networks, etc. If you can't find something, DON'T GO.

    I'm not saying Canada, or any country, is perfect, but a proper approach and understanding before you jump into something will ease the transistion. And please, enough of the ignorant generalizations.

    If I was an employer and knew you had contempt for my country and thought you were owed something, I'd kick your butt out the door.

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  • Macaca
    06-26 09:43 PM
    unless there are enough approvals happening simultaneously, dates would not retrogress in the middle of the month.

    There were lot of approved cases with USCIS. They have started getting their GCs.

    The # of current applicants who will get GCs will depened on # of approved cases USCIS had.


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  • poorslumdog
    08-15 09:55 PM
    You might want to read this warning to yourself. I am not a Muslim myself, but solely pointing to the obscureness of the system. Even Kamal Hassan payed a price for his name, it's high time this changes, and this routine harrasment is very comparable to the H1B experience at POE.

    I dont see any Harashment...They are not beating you. Just its extra verification. If you dont like that you are more than welcome not to come here. Everyday hundereds of people going this process and no one is crying foul and why only this time.?

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  • Googler
    02-15 10:28 PM
    My friend, I'm not trying to fight you. All I am saying that you cannot file a class action against USCIS because they have not done anything wrong. They are just following the law.

    If you really want to have this change, it is the US congress that you can deal with.

    As I've said, I work for a law firm.

    Why don't ask your immigration lawyer first regarding the "class action" you are talking about.

    (1) There was no shortage of laypeople and even attorneys who asserted that "USCIS isn't doing anything wrong they are just following the law" when it came to FBI name checks. Fortunately for all of us sharper legal brains and sharper judges prevailed, and brought us to this happy day.

    (2) On Class Actions: Villamonte, have you read the Mocanu decision ( If not I encourage you to do so -- that was just individual cases being consolidated, but the situation is not very different -- you should pay particular attention to the part where Judge Baylson recommends a multi-district class action litigation to deal with all the other name check cases (see p. 16, para numbered 6).

    The parallels between the those cases and the one being proposed are very strong.

    Judge Baylson is not the only judge who has recommended a class action approach to these issues. IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.

    (3) Preliminary Ideas on the Grounds for Suing (courtesy lazycis):
    The grounds for suing USCIS is the same as in Gonzalez v Howerton -- (a) interpreting the law incorrectly (b) not following the statutory requirement that they use up all the greencards available in a given year and therefore being guilty of affirmative misconduct. At the very least, a judge is within his rights to make them make amends -- by recapturing 2003-2004 EB greencards, since they wasted them as a result of their affirmative misconduct -- they waited for name checks or simply not processing applications - no one can say there wasn't an application backlog in 2003-2004.

    (4) First Steps
    What we need here is to get this matter before a good legal strategist who is familiar with (a) the two sources of affirmative misconduct (FBI name checks and cessation of processing in 2003-2004) (b) precedents and caselaw (note that most immigration law firms are good with filing paperwork, but not necessarily complex litigation, so forget about the usual suspects.) The perfect legal argument will not sprout up immediately. In the same way that the legal arguments in the name check cases were honed over time (lazycis can confirm this), this too will need some serious research and thinking.

    Those of you who want everything about this case sorted out, signed, sealed, guaranteed and delivered this week will need a reality check. :)

    As will those of you who think that the way to approach this is to discuss these issues without familiarizing yourself with facts and legal precedents in some detail (so arguments about slavery etc are not the ones that will win the day in court, it is arguments that can show that USCIS was not interpreting the law correctly and in doing so caused harm and that the harm can be remedied through recapture.) -- if you want to see how a case like this will work read Mocanu and Galvez. This case will not be a dramatic movie-style civil rights case about slavery, it will involve the most tedious sort of nitty gritty discussion of admin misconduct.

    OTOH, for most of us, all we've got is time -- I do not foresee my Jan 2003 EB-2 India PD becoming current any time soon. I'm prepared for a long legal battle. I'd rather do something constructive** that will likely change the process than sit and wait and mope.

    **: Yes, I've sent off my letters too. I think of these two things as complementary projects.

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  • thomachan72
    01-13 01:29 PM
    Can somebody who can access the document put out the important points/changes that are in there?

    07-21 02:18 PM
    Chill my friend. See where it is posted.

    Immigration Voice > General Information > Interesting Topics

    This is a very informative topic....well unless you are a quickstar member who is proud of it.

    Please for GOD SAKE understand that this is an immigration Portal.
    Not a fish market where we can discuss the prices of item at different stores.

    Please stop this Admin

    09-04 06:22 PM

    Don�t assume that things will work like they work in YSR regime.

    If you think that, the discussion does not make any sense to you then keep away. You are assuming that IMV has compromised security. FYI, this is not a YSR forum, nor it his jagir to do a security compromise.

    True facts: I am with you on your thoughts. I feel the same for OUR country.