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  • garybanz
    12-14 02:35 PM
    I still dont see any discrimination on the existing laws. The number of visas divided equally to all countries.

    Why not divide equally across all races? or all kind of jobs? or different ages? or color of eyes? ...left hand right hand? Yankee fans and red sox fans?

    Why not divide all the jobs in USA equally among some of the above categories?

    EEO does not say take the total pool of jobs and divide it exactly equally among all the race, color, religion, sex, and national origin or for that matter any of the categories I mentioned. EEO says every one gets an equal shot at the job.

    Do you understand the discrimination now?

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  • snathan
    08-16 11:43 AM
    To all the wannabe americans and GC aspirants, dont forget where you came from. You are nothing but 21st century cheap labor. Just do the right thing!

    Dont think everyone is like you...:D

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  • Lasantha
    09-06 02:39 PM
    We applied for canadian immigration in 2002 but didn't have to provide the IELTS results. Things might have changed since then.

    I guess it all depend on the CO and how well you present your case in your application. If you provide enough evidence to show your fluency in the language they might accept them. But it's always a good idea to be prepared and do the test anyway. That was what I did.

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  • byeusa
    07-11 01:00 AM
    Don't worry. SSA would be broke by then. and then the dollar would have devaluated by another 50%. Healthcare for the masses is a failure, immigration policy is a failure, schooling system is failing in majority of the nation, rampant violence with kids shooting in the schools, is any think that is right in this society? Glorification of Paris Hilton on CNN continously, Britney Spears in the news on front pages of the magazines.. how much more trashy can it be?


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  • GCKaMaara
    05-29 04:08 PM
    Wow! So we have reached to cannibal state of survival? And we call ourselves as highly skilled.

    Sometimes I think that outspoken & sometimes rude guy, Sanju was right. We are educated illiterates.

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  • gimmeacard
    07-21 06:18 PM
    People can loose a lot of money in this "business"... 20K in 4 years is petty... literally.

    Once you achieve some level in this business, your "uplines" start pestering you to do 300PV every month instead of 100PV. Each PV is about $2.50 + tax + Shipping so 300PV = $800 a month. Most of this $800 stuff is at least with 300% markup and many of the things that we didn't need. So even if we take $200 as waste out of $800, in 4 years, I lost $200x12x4 = $9,600

    Now, off course no one puts a gun to your head to buy 300PV but the pressure is nothing less than that. Its very hard to explain just like hard to explain the Niagara Falls experience (this example I have used many times while contacting people).


    Thanks EbiZash for explaining the details, i hear your pain, i would had jumped off the bridge after i failed in 3 months, no matter how much pressure, i would save my shirt first.

    Its time you start hearing to your wife. i lost a good fortune in stocks too, so i am no avatar here :-)


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    07-10 01:39 PM
    I had my candadian immigration last year. And the dead line to land was March 2007.

    I was very confuse at that time about landing in Canada. Then one day my old 2002 PD labor got approved and I filed 485 in March 07. But now my canadian Immigration is expired.

    Even my 485 is filed, I am thinking again to apply fresh application for Canadian Immigration. You never know what will happen to GC. So I will file again by the end of this year for Canadian Immigration.

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  • El_Guapo
    01-14 01:59 PM
    LOL.....I see where this is headed. We will all post on these threads and whine and complain, just like we do with the visa bulletin. And then in about a week's time, it will all die and no one will bother about this memo. We will "accept" whatever is offered to us. But I am sure within the next week, you can see 10 different threads with people talking about stuff such as "Gandhigiri", "Flower" campaign, "Hunger Strike", "Lawsuit", "Email Campaign", "Letter Campaign", "Phone Campaign", etc.....Don't worry, nothing will materialize and all these will die down. We as Immigrants have learned to accept everything and never fight back :)


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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 04:27 PM
    Plainspeak Show your PLAN and what you would do to get it done.

    Everything else is BS
    yes my friend waitinganwaiting. Now who taught you your manners. I ought to wash you mouth out with soap.

    Now dont reply to this post if you have any sense of shame

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  • alien2006
    08-30 03:09 PM
    I would suggest checking out and other such websites before plunging into Canada. A good idea is also to check out for your job situation. I checked that as well as monsterindia. Guess what, there were 50 times more jobs in India than in Canada (at least in IT). After a lot of debate we have decided to stick in the US through this entire GC process. If it fails, we go back to India where we are with our family as well as have good job prospects. If the intent to immigrate to the US continues, we will try to come here again and restart the GC process.

    Almost all the people I know who have or want to go to Canada, don't really want to live there more than 3 years. They just want their citizenship and then want to move back to the US. So I don't see the point of living in yet another country and besides I hate the cold. Just another point of view.


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  • CreatedToday
    09-04 01:56 PM
    Why the &*#@ are you still POOR, being in US?

    Mr.Nair tell me is it Gulf or Gelf. Do you still wear lunky in office or smoke peedi...enda peedi malabar pedi, enda CM EK nayar...he he :D

    If its GOD own country...what are you doing there. Are you renting it mr.Nair

    by the way how is omana kutty.

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  • villamonte6100
    12-14 12:30 PM
    Hello All,

    First and foremost, i must thank everyone from IV, who is working tirelessly to resolve the issues of retrogression in the GC process. As an affected individual I am very grateful that leaders of IV are ready to contribute so much effort for its goals. And even though I do not actively work for the IV agenda, I have contributed money to some IV action items.

    I have a question/suggestion regarding the IV agenda. On IV's about page, pt number 2 asserts amongst other things,
    The Discriminatory Per-Country Rationing of Green Cards That Exacerbates the Delays.

    and further in the same point

    We do not allow employers to discriminate hiring based on their nationality or country of origin. Therefore, the employment-based immigration, which is a derivative benefit of employment, should also be free from rationing based on nationality or country of birth.

    I am curious to know what is the "legal" strength of these assertions is. Are they just "moral" statements or can the validity of these statements be tested in the legal framework of this country? In other words, my question is what is the constitutionality of the "Per Country Caps" in Employment / Family Based Immrigration procedures.
    A lot of Laws and Statutes have been challenged in the Judicial System of USA. And many more are challenged every year. And if the laws are not constitutional then they can be repealed.

    I am sure the leaders of IV must have thought about this argument however a quick search of the forums with 'constitutionality' as the search term did not return any results.

    IV's efforts to utilize Lobbying to bring about change to alleviate/eliminate retrogression are certainly beneficial. However, if IV has not already considered and eliminated this legal argument, then it should explore whether there is any substance to this approach.

    Hence this post. Below are some of the links that might be relevant.

    wikipedia article on constitutionality (
    wikipedia category on US immigration case law ( ion_case_law)

    thanks and sincerely,


    You don't have a case. Before laws are signed, lawmakers spend hours and hours or weeks arguing, debating and modying before it is passed by both Senators and congressmen.

    If they change the current law to favor Indians, then it will be disciminatory to other nationals. Think the other way.

    Personally, I don't see any discrimination in the existing law. It so happened that you came from Indian and the law only allows a certain percentage per country.


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  • Humhongekamyab
    08-15 08:12 PM
    We all know how media wants to make new so that they can get more hits on their webpages. Maybe is name randomly got selected and that is why he got grilled - we don't know what did he tell the officer which lead to all this. We all now know about "teachable" moment with the Harvard professor. The facts were not what they appeared initially.

    Just because one pays his taxes to the IRS does not mean s/he cannot be audited - even if he is Bill Gates. IRS computer randomly selects people for audit - irrespective of their status in life.

    It may be one of these occurrence - we will know with time and let's not speculate until then. Moreover he is an ordinary citizen without any diplomatic privileges. If you or me can be interrogated why can't he be. Every country has a right to protect itself and to set standards for it irrespective of the status of the individual.

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  • vedicman
    01-14 08:46 AM
    I don't see anything wrong PlainSpeak's suggestion but I can't comment on if her suggestion is workable or not. But we can just explain what is right or wrong instead of getting into fight mode.
    How is misleading members not wrong? Check willigetgc's response

    It would be great place to share ideas (good, bad, right, wrong) if those uncivilized response is reduced. The lesser the uncivilized response more the people willing to join hands.
    Sharing ideas are good. But if you looked at plainspeak first post he was pretty much goading members to come after him.

    There are great people like amitjoey who convey the message in more civilized way (as far as I have seen) and help others (its not easy to post 1100+ posts....). I am new to this country and have very less experience and knowledge to share. But I hope one day I can guide/help some people like amitjoey.
    Couldn't agree with you more!

    Reason for me to share my thought is amitjoey, otherwise I would have just gone through the thread and felt bad about this forum for uncivilized comments. I am not into any group yet (Eb2/3) as my comp is not going to sponsor gc as per new policy, so I don't belong to any group (or we can say group who's gc never filed). When I read PlainSpeak's comment I thought she was right and after reading amitjoey's comment I learned another view for this issue. After reading those two comments I understand the issue and why IV took different direction or direction different from PlainSpeak's. But when I continued reading this thread I felt why some educated people with good intentions have bad thoughts and respond to others in uncivilized way. In the whole thread only two comments make's sense to me rest doesn't belong/fit to this forum.
    Plainspeak posted his view, few agreed with him, most disagreed - but he (My traditional upbringing does not allow me to think a girl can be so confrontational with strangers - so I will go on considering plainspeak as a man) kept up with his goading responding to each member. I cannot think of anyone with good intentions spending time to respond to comments that are not worthwhile.......

    Lets get more new members and be civilized to gain confident which will gain more strength to the forum.

    Let me see if I understand PlainSpeak's language:
    1. IV core needs to put a lot of resources to lobby for the DV bill, knowing full well that this bill will go nowhere!

    2. Raise a false sense of hope among the EB3 community, again, knowing full well that its going to be dashed - just so that IV gains the trust of EB3 (I am EB3, and they have my trust without your logic!)

    3. An exercise to gain trust by misleading!:D

    I wonder why IV core did not come up with this brilliant idea ;)

    My responses are in blue

    My advice to you, this forum gives members a chance to voice their problems and many members help with suggestions and experiences. IV works for relieving our problems - and if their intentions are on our side, we need to help them and not fight amongst us or them. Judge by what the administrators of this org say.


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  • lazycis
    02-13 01:11 PM
    WDude, Googler, I am not against removing per country limits. But we need to have a cool head, think straight, objective and use facts. I just think it will be next to impossible to change the INA to remove those quotas so it's better to concentrate efforts on 1) visa recapture; 2) EB quota increase. Visas were lost mostly because of NC issue.

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  • venetian
    05-12 10:11 PM
    Just a few...

    Sellapan Ramanathan - President of Singapore
    Sir Veerasamy Ringadoo, ex-President of Mauritius
    Ariranga Govindasamy Pillay - ex-Chief Justice of Mauritius
    Angidi Verriah Chettiar - ex-Vice President of Mauritius
    Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar - Nobel Laureate and University of Chicago professor.
    Navanethem Pillay - United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (originally from South Africa.)
    James Appathurai -NATO Spokesman (from canada)
    Lakshmi Sahgal - Freedom fighter settled in Kanpur
    Tun V.T. Sambanthan - One of the founding father of modern Malaysia
    S Jayakumar, Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
    Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Minister of Education, Singapore.
    Vivian Balakrishnan, Minister in, Singapore.
    S Rajaratnam, ex-Deputy Prime Minister, Singapore.
    S Dhanabalan, ex-Minister, Singapore.
    Radhakrishna Padayachi, Minister in Republic of South Africa.
    Gunasagaran Gounder, Fiji politician
    Perumal Mupnar, Fiji politician
    Aruna Roy - head of Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathana, Rajastan
    R. K. Laxman & R. K. Narayan, lived in Karnataka

    I did not include Sri Lankan Tamil politicians or sports persons.

    I can go on and on...

    Again, do some research before commenting



    I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.


    Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

    There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?


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  • katewill
    11-09 09:20 AM
    oh well, this is how i feel. "i should have studied more and started with EB2"
    rules are rules, fair or unfair.
    what have you done other than just waiting? ( i've been waiting too)
    while others changed jobs and moved on to EB2 and got GC in 6 month.
    maybe you can also search companies with sub labor.
    you could have done alot of things if you needed to, but you didn't. (i didn't either)

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  • sanju
    12-17 09:39 AM
    Thanks for the update. No need to reveal any more details. At least I know the e-mails that I sent made their way to some one who matters.

    Thanks jungalee, for writing on this issue, that makes two of us. I think everything done by over 1000/2000 people together and every subject covered in letters from over 1000/2000 people makes it to the top. Most half educated (which is worst than illiterate) usually give priority to their petty differences and find reasons not to participate, which is why they remain "wise fools".

    It will definately help to draw attention to our issues if more people in the community will participate.


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  • _TrueFacts
    09-03 11:40 PM
    We cannot judge when some one who is no more. No court will punish any one after death. If he is bad, he will face the final JUDGEMENT with every one.

    That's is what YSR has met with, what you call final Judgment. His head, legs chopped. In our language we call Kukka Chavu.

    02-16 12:10 PM
    Fraud and corruption is prevalent everywhere incuding India and a prepondernece of the bodyshops are nothing but a factory of producing overnight "IT Talents". Accept this is as one of the problem of this retrogression.

    No one is going to fall for or accept this type of torn shirt, open fly argument. Retrogression is caused by insufficient GC numbers and worsened for some countries due to the country caps. The fact that there is corruption in India or any of the other random reasons you are trotting out in no way mitigates the fact that people are being forced to wait after fulfilling all of the qualifying criteria set forth by the US government.

    09-04 02:09 PM
    It is you responded first to this news with this post, encouraging others to comment against a dead person. Also with the full name of a member revealed, it's possible that you are _truefacts!

    Now are you trying to come out clean?

    Originally Posted by rcr_bulk
    Andhra CM YSR chopper has been missed since yesterday.

    Good for the world

    Post further discussions on websites like idlebrain, great andhra etc...

    Lets keep away from such topics
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world"
    - Margaret Mead

    Please stop this unnecessary useless discussion here. And I am not "_truefacts". Folks, just like how u do IT or medicine, for politicians - politics is a career. They do whatever they can to be in power and in developing countries like India where unfortunately, corrpution still exists. Corrpution exists everywhere in different forms. Don't we all pay for EAD and AP every year because our country is retrogressed? Don't we all pay for MTR when we do everything based on law?

    One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.

    People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.

    Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.