sledge_hammer
05-29 11:11 AM
1] To date there are 60K EB2I and another 60K EB3I I-485 applictaions pending.
2] 3.2K visas were available for EB2I for FY2009.
Assuming 3.2K visas are available every year from now on, it will take 60/3.2=18.75 years for all EB2I applicants upto today to be granted GC.
Unbelievable!
2] 3.2K visas were available for EB2I for FY2009.
Assuming 3.2K visas are available every year from now on, it will take 60/3.2=18.75 years for all EB2I applicants upto today to be granted GC.
Unbelievable!
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nixstor
07-03 09:24 PM
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
Excellent,
I am planning to come up with a format for calling key senators and congress men on Thursday morning. Lets do this. Mean while please keep digging and blogging.
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
Excellent,
I am planning to come up with a format for calling key senators and congress men on Thursday morning. Lets do this. Mean while please keep digging and blogging.
akred
06-12 12:04 PM
Now to prove my point that we had all of today's similar issues then. Here is my after GC post.
http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=84252
I hope you people wouldn't simply jump to a conclusion that I was lucky. I went through all the travails of layoffs, GC backlogs etc.
Peace !!
You benefited from ISN (IV predecessor)'s efforts to get AC21 passed with a visa recapture. That visa recapture lifted the retrogression that had set in by 2000. Without that recapture (worth 100K+ visas) it is doubtful your PD would be current today.
http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?t=84252
I hope you people wouldn't simply jump to a conclusion that I was lucky. I went through all the travails of layoffs, GC backlogs etc.
Peace !!
You benefited from ISN (IV predecessor)'s efforts to get AC21 passed with a visa recapture. That visa recapture lifted the retrogression that had set in by 2000. Without that recapture (worth 100K+ visas) it is doubtful your PD would be current today.
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Kodi
05-12 02:09 PM
It is true that tamilians have high respect for their culture and identity so as everyone in the world. Even now the jews practice their culture and language here, are they getting discriminated for doing that? The problem arises when anyone is discriminated for some reasons.
Tamils in SL were not emigrated they were there for past 2000 years or so.
Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.
Tamils in SL were not emigrated they were there for past 2000 years or so.
Just like the jews, tamils practice their culture and language in sri lanka without been discriminated. You don't see Jews armed with weapons asking for part of USA for themselves.
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gc4me
02-13 01:39 PM
Thanks for your valuable information. But how about lots of unused visas?
Why USCIS did not allocate those to countries like Nepal which only used 70.
Further division is not good.
I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.
I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.
Why USCIS did not allocate those to countries like Nepal which only used 70.
Further division is not good.
I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.
I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.
Marphad
05-18 01:19 PM
How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???
If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.
Well,
Panini's profile is "WRONG" on this thread too: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=237356&postcount=1
More, It is wrong to put fake data. All I suggested is that it has some impact on his credibility and his reaction was very strong. I agree with his post contents and second them too! Not comfortable with someone roaming around with fake profile - keep in mind profile is the same whether it is immigration or non-immigration related thread.
You tell me the reason you think why Panini put wrong profile data. OK, you don't know, then tell me why you put correct profile information? You will get your answer.
If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.
Well,
Panini's profile is "WRONG" on this thread too: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=237356&postcount=1
More, It is wrong to put fake data. All I suggested is that it has some impact on his credibility and his reaction was very strong. I agree with his post contents and second them too! Not comfortable with someone roaming around with fake profile - keep in mind profile is the same whether it is immigration or non-immigration related thread.
You tell me the reason you think why Panini put wrong profile data. OK, you don't know, then tell me why you put correct profile information? You will get your answer.
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prem_goel
05-29 03:02 PM
I've met couple of guys who came on L1 and have filed GC in EB1. they are simply project managers and exploited this loop hole... I'd raised this issue earlier but was scoffed stating that I would have done the same if I would have been at their place...Felt like slapping the guy who made this stupid comment.
Given that we have played by the rules, lets prevent any kind of fraud to make sure that there is FIFO.....
Please PM me if you have the details.
Given that we have played by the rules, lets prevent any kind of fraud to make sure that there is FIFO.....
Please PM me if you have the details.
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JazzByTheBay
12-13 04:31 PM
Wouldn't you think? If we have enough resources (a membership-based IV), perhaps we could explore the possibility of legal action, perhaps even a class action (not a lawyer myself... so not sure if that's in the realm of possibility... ), against this unconstitutional statute that restricts skilled folks from certain countries on the basis of diversity.
Diversity would be OK if folks from other countries weren't getting their Green Cards because of lack of immigrant visa numbers (in absence of per-country quota). But if each year the annual quotas of 140K aren't beint utilized, there's no rationale for restricting folks born in certain countries even though they have the necessary skills, imo.
Overall, treating countries with a population of 1 billion and over the same as countries with a lower population than the city of Los Angeles is insane.
jazz
employment base makes up only about 11% of all immigration
the country would not be "colonized" by choosing people for this category on merit alone. as for 90%- this is too is frankly a wave in my view, all things change, for now many Indian techs want to come and they have jobs available, tomorrow one or both of those things may not be true. But none that justifies treating people differently because of where they are born.
this is entirely my personal opinion: if extended families (like adult siblings and their entire families) were excluded from FB, country quotas would lose some of their "need" and FB would not have to be the overwhelming majority of immigration numbers.
How about I ask you why the "diversity" is not needed in other things. how about a quota for religion? profession? color of skin...? all those can be diversity issue. What if I said not more than 7% STEM graduates? I'm sure the Programmers Guild would agree. If you don't like those ideas, why country of birth?
The fact remains though that EB is a skill based category. If I or you(?) join a company with identical (or better) credentials as someone from Congo/Sweden/Belize (whatever), they would have an EB2 GC in 1-2 years, we would sit for 10 and stew under multiple career holds and restrictions. Since no body from India would ever get the EB2 GC quickly, an entire subset of immigrants (based on country of birth) are ALWAYS held behind. You are presuming that somehow this benefits the US. Get skilled immigrants- but don't let a whole bunch of them rise to their levels of ability because they were born wrong. I am at a disadvantage because other people from my country applied for a GC. But when my employer takes me on, he does not care where I was born. My skillset has nothing to do with it. Why is my application (which is based on that employer and my skillset) hostage to something that is not even in the equation? This country is about individual freedom. I am here and an applicant for GC as an individual. What do I have to do with others who apply?
Fair? You decide.
Diversity would be OK if folks from other countries weren't getting their Green Cards because of lack of immigrant visa numbers (in absence of per-country quota). But if each year the annual quotas of 140K aren't beint utilized, there's no rationale for restricting folks born in certain countries even though they have the necessary skills, imo.
Overall, treating countries with a population of 1 billion and over the same as countries with a lower population than the city of Los Angeles is insane.
jazz
employment base makes up only about 11% of all immigration
the country would not be "colonized" by choosing people for this category on merit alone. as for 90%- this is too is frankly a wave in my view, all things change, for now many Indian techs want to come and they have jobs available, tomorrow one or both of those things may not be true. But none that justifies treating people differently because of where they are born.
this is entirely my personal opinion: if extended families (like adult siblings and their entire families) were excluded from FB, country quotas would lose some of their "need" and FB would not have to be the overwhelming majority of immigration numbers.
How about I ask you why the "diversity" is not needed in other things. how about a quota for religion? profession? color of skin...? all those can be diversity issue. What if I said not more than 7% STEM graduates? I'm sure the Programmers Guild would agree. If you don't like those ideas, why country of birth?
The fact remains though that EB is a skill based category. If I or you(?) join a company with identical (or better) credentials as someone from Congo/Sweden/Belize (whatever), they would have an EB2 GC in 1-2 years, we would sit for 10 and stew under multiple career holds and restrictions. Since no body from India would ever get the EB2 GC quickly, an entire subset of immigrants (based on country of birth) are ALWAYS held behind. You are presuming that somehow this benefits the US. Get skilled immigrants- but don't let a whole bunch of them rise to their levels of ability because they were born wrong. I am at a disadvantage because other people from my country applied for a GC. But when my employer takes me on, he does not care where I was born. My skillset has nothing to do with it. Why is my application (which is based on that employer and my skillset) hostage to something that is not even in the equation? This country is about individual freedom. I am here and an applicant for GC as an individual. What do I have to do with others who apply?
Fair? You decide.
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gdilla
05-09 05:57 PM
Stop the bashing of countries with stupid generalizations like cost of living and bad doctors. This is ridiculous. See my other posts dispelling Canadian misconceptions. That your friends or whoever has had badluck in Canada is probably as much due to their lack of perperation and research before going there coupled with their socialist sense of entitlement.
And for all you considering going to Canada, it's not rocket science. Look for a job BEFORE you go. Heck, take a vacation and go there if you get some interviews. I don't care if your doctor friend is driving a taxi cab - they should have known that there is a foreign credential issue going on in that country before they pack up their family and go there (and hopefully this will be ironed out - it is a problem and a big debate right now).
But it's not like there isn't a way to work around it (suck it up and do what you have to do for recertification - yes it's troublesome, but at least your fate is in your own hands, and you're not stuck in retrogression at the mercy of others). And if you think you have more opportunities in the US, why is it that the majority of H1Bs are being sucked up by desi body shops who just turn around and indenture you? Is that considered a wonderful opportunity ( i guess it is)? How many of you can actually work for a non-desi company? Imagine if they didn't exist. Too bad Canada doesn't have the same body shops, eh. Oh the irony.
It boggles my mind that people take up and leave to a country without actually looking into the job market or thinking everything would be hunky dory. There's something called the internet. Look for Canadian jobs, apply, get feedback, attend job fairs in Canada, tap your networks, etc. If you can't find something, DON'T GO.
I'm not saying Canada, or any country, is perfect, but a proper approach and understanding before you jump into something will ease the transistion. And please, enough of the ignorant generalizations.
If I was an employer and knew you had contempt for my country and thought you were owed something, I'd kick your butt out the door.
And for all you considering going to Canada, it's not rocket science. Look for a job BEFORE you go. Heck, take a vacation and go there if you get some interviews. I don't care if your doctor friend is driving a taxi cab - they should have known that there is a foreign credential issue going on in that country before they pack up their family and go there (and hopefully this will be ironed out - it is a problem and a big debate right now).
But it's not like there isn't a way to work around it (suck it up and do what you have to do for recertification - yes it's troublesome, but at least your fate is in your own hands, and you're not stuck in retrogression at the mercy of others). And if you think you have more opportunities in the US, why is it that the majority of H1Bs are being sucked up by desi body shops who just turn around and indenture you? Is that considered a wonderful opportunity ( i guess it is)? How many of you can actually work for a non-desi company? Imagine if they didn't exist. Too bad Canada doesn't have the same body shops, eh. Oh the irony.
It boggles my mind that people take up and leave to a country without actually looking into the job market or thinking everything would be hunky dory. There's something called the internet. Look for Canadian jobs, apply, get feedback, attend job fairs in Canada, tap your networks, etc. If you can't find something, DON'T GO.
I'm not saying Canada, or any country, is perfect, but a proper approach and understanding before you jump into something will ease the transistion. And please, enough of the ignorant generalizations.
If I was an employer and knew you had contempt for my country and thought you were owed something, I'd kick your butt out the door.
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bobby
07-04 11:39 AM
"The US govt. does a number on High Skilled Immigrants"
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5994&page=9
My suggestions:
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5994&page=9
My suggestions:
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"
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ocpmachine
09-15 10:43 AM
This thread is getting very interesting with all the logical calculations and predictions, thanks OP.
One aspect that was missed in the discussions so far is, during Aug-Sep'08 many folks with 2005/06 PD's got their GC, USCIS picked these cases on random and not sure how many with 2005/06 PD's were approved but it a sizeable number, so this reduces the pending numbers for 2005/06 PD cases as well. I am predicting by Sep'10 we should see all of 2006 PD's cleared up.
-Cheers
One aspect that was missed in the discussions so far is, during Aug-Sep'08 many folks with 2005/06 PD's got their GC, USCIS picked these cases on random and not sure how many with 2005/06 PD's were approved but it a sizeable number, so this reduces the pending numbers for 2005/06 PD cases as well. I am predicting by Sep'10 we should see all of 2006 PD's cleared up.
-Cheers
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pappu
08-18 03:48 PM
I do not know why this issue is more important for people to discuss. Just because Mr Khan is asked to be a common man? He is not a world famous actor. He is a famous actor to a very very small minority Indian Community in USA. Why should USA give VIP treatment to any star actor from any country of the world? If he was an official ambassador/senior diplomat/Minister, it us understandable. He is simply coming to USA to make money. He will still come again to USA to make money even if he is strip searched again and questioned for more than 66 minutes. Indian government seems to have crossed the line by complaining. This VIP culture that is so prevalent in India needs to change.
If Indian government really wants to complain, why are they not complaining against the long wait periods for H1B stamping in India. Ordinary Indian citizens going to India for stamping sometimes have to wait several months in the name of security checks. This takes a toll on their life and job in USA. There are several other issues Indian Citizens face in USA. If Indian government has chosen to interfere with the internal matter (in this case national security) of USA, why is it keeping quiet on other matter of importance to its citizens? Indian government needs to stick to its policies and not bend its rules for VIPs.
As someone said, if his intention was to publicize his new movie and make more money from his share of profit, he may have succeeded.
If Indian government really wants to complain, why are they not complaining against the long wait periods for H1B stamping in India. Ordinary Indian citizens going to India for stamping sometimes have to wait several months in the name of security checks. This takes a toll on their life and job in USA. There are several other issues Indian Citizens face in USA. If Indian government has chosen to interfere with the internal matter (in this case national security) of USA, why is it keeping quiet on other matter of importance to its citizens? Indian government needs to stick to its policies and not bend its rules for VIPs.
As someone said, if his intention was to publicize his new movie and make more money from his share of profit, he may have succeeded.
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chanduv23
02-13 06:27 PM
hopefulgc - please dedicate some time and update your first post with more information on lawsuit, you may want to quote lazycis 's posts and other information.
A lot of people may not be very knowledgable and may backoff when they see the word "lawsuit".
Those who are saying YES on the poll - it is assumed that you will not backoff - if you have not yet updated your profile on IV - please update your complete profile - this will show that you can be counted on.
A lot of people may not be very knowledgable and may backoff when they see the word "lawsuit".
Those who are saying YES on the poll - it is assumed that you will not backoff - if you have not yet updated your profile on IV - please update your complete profile - this will show that you can be counted on.
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jayleno
07-27 09:14 AM
Buddy Kushal,
You have guts my friend. A real quickstar indeed. Please PM me. I will join quickstar, I'm really impressed with your speech here. You had me at US Army. I didn't read the rest of it.
P.S. I dont flip channels, my wife does and I watch whatever is playing. I sip beer and burp after. I hope I'm qualified to join.
Its like asking an anti-immigrant, what you think about legal/illegal immigration?
I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.
Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you, and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.
You have guts my friend. A real quickstar indeed. Please PM me. I will join quickstar, I'm really impressed with your speech here. You had me at US Army. I didn't read the rest of it.
P.S. I dont flip channels, my wife does and I watch whatever is playing. I sip beer and burp after. I hope I'm qualified to join.
Its like asking an anti-immigrant, what you think about legal/illegal immigration?
I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.
Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you, and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.
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unseenguy
01-09 02:44 PM
Hello Gurus,
My priority date is Aug 11 , 2006(EB2) and my 6 year H1B ends Sept 2011. Is there any chance the priority dates will move to Aug 2006 levels in FY2010? Or in FY2011? I am really worried because these days people are getting rejections for H1 renewals. When my time comes for renewal I want to have the EAD as a backup in case H1 renewal gets rejected.
Please let me know your thoughts on movement to Aug 2006 before Sept 2011.
Thanks.
Why are you so worried? Dont be scared, make enough money and dont make silly financial decision. You can take your kitty back if push comes to shove. Economies in India and China are booming and you wont die hungry. I guarantee you that.
My priority date is Aug 11 , 2006(EB2) and my 6 year H1B ends Sept 2011. Is there any chance the priority dates will move to Aug 2006 levels in FY2010? Or in FY2011? I am really worried because these days people are getting rejections for H1 renewals. When my time comes for renewal I want to have the EAD as a backup in case H1 renewal gets rejected.
Please let me know your thoughts on movement to Aug 2006 before Sept 2011.
Thanks.
Why are you so worried? Dont be scared, make enough money and dont make silly financial decision. You can take your kitty back if push comes to shove. Economies in India and China are booming and you wont die hungry. I guarantee you that.
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sunnymit
07-30 02:37 PM
I met this dude in Secaucus (NJ) Walmart yesterday. I was looking for an ice-cream so he pretended to do the same. Smiled at me once and then just as I was walking away from the ice-cream sections comes over with a very nice hello. Started talking to me "as they always do" but I think this time he forgot where he was. First asked me "Do you know where is a Walmart around here?", quickly realized he is in one right now, checked, and continued, "I mean, this is one but do you know another one around here?". Then "Do you know when this closes", "Is this 24/7 walmart". I mean.. seriously dude! You think I am the best person to answer those questions for you - why? Best of all, he says he just moved here from Harrison (NJ) which is like 5 miles from the Walmart he was in!
Totally confused this guys, me thinks :)
Totally confused this guys, me thinks :)
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don_don
03-16 01:28 PM
Are you from India,,if yes, think again,,,the EB3 2003 PD may not buy u much,,u may be well know trying to go for perm and 140 with current EB2...eb3 for india is a black hole,,,i hope u know what a black hole is,,,its kinda dangerous!!
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breddy2000
09-03 11:10 PM
chill - u r working in US because have skills - got visa applied for Green card. In what way did Rajiv Gandhi help you? So do you say that everyone immigrating to USA from every country is because of Rajiv Gandhi?
I see that u r arguing just for the sake of arguement. Come on man. expand your thinking capacity - U r responsible for your own life and you do things in life that suits you. Just like how u r a software guru, politics is also a field which has become a "career oriented" field. Now, a lot of people trashed SRK during discussions, I did not understand what his fault was, for such trashing.
Now, the reason why a lot of people trash YSR is because of his corruptive governance - which crossed all limits.
If you think that one has to respect someone just because he/she is a leader - that may not be practical
If you don't know the difference between Policies and Politics I cannot help it.I'm talking about policies created by Govt in Power
That's all I can say....Good luck
CHANDUV23
And your ID is revealed _TrueFacts....That's all I can say and which u are very well aware of.
I see that u r arguing just for the sake of arguement. Come on man. expand your thinking capacity - U r responsible for your own life and you do things in life that suits you. Just like how u r a software guru, politics is also a field which has become a "career oriented" field. Now, a lot of people trashed SRK during discussions, I did not understand what his fault was, for such trashing.
Now, the reason why a lot of people trash YSR is because of his corruptive governance - which crossed all limits.
If you think that one has to respect someone just because he/she is a leader - that may not be practical
If you don't know the difference between Policies and Politics I cannot help it.I'm talking about policies created by Govt in Power
That's all I can say....Good luck
CHANDUV23
And your ID is revealed _TrueFacts....That's all I can say and which u are very well aware of.
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PlainSpeak
01-13 01:24 PM
Sorry about the mutiple posting. I had issues posting that and for a second i thought IV has booted me out.
Guys if you give me some time i wil lreply back to each and everyone. I am after all a single gal with only 2 hands and please if you want to make some comments about ladies please do so in good taste:D
Guys if you give me some time i wil lreply back to each and everyone. I am after all a single gal with only 2 hands and please if you want to make some comments about ladies please do so in good taste:D
Pineapple
12-14 02:16 PM
I agree with alterego.
There is another compelling argument against taking the lawsuit way, even if assuming there is a case to be made, and we have plenty of money. (The first is unclear, the second is a firm no, but let us assume anyway for the sake or argument)
One of the reasons why Roe v Wade, 34 years on, is still a controversial decision today is the fact that the US is probably unique in the world in the sense that a constitutionality argument was used to decide public policy.
In Europe, as in other parts of the world, abortion was considered as a health issue, and handled via legislation and health care guidelines.
But because it was a constitutionality issue in US, and enforced from the bench, a significant portion of the populace felt left out of the decision making process, which stimulated a simmering opposition and entrenched the main actors of the "culture wars", which persist to this day.
There is significant debate even among liberals whether Roe V Wade has helped or harmed the liberal cause, and if knowing what we know, there could have been another approach to achieve the same end.
In a nutshell, approaching the courts is a double edged sword. There may be some strategic gains in the short term, but the long term impact is unclear and unpredictable. A legislative approach might be slower and incremental, but it is less risky.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
There is another compelling argument against taking the lawsuit way, even if assuming there is a case to be made, and we have plenty of money. (The first is unclear, the second is a firm no, but let us assume anyway for the sake or argument)
One of the reasons why Roe v Wade, 34 years on, is still a controversial decision today is the fact that the US is probably unique in the world in the sense that a constitutionality argument was used to decide public policy.
In Europe, as in other parts of the world, abortion was considered as a health issue, and handled via legislation and health care guidelines.
But because it was a constitutionality issue in US, and enforced from the bench, a significant portion of the populace felt left out of the decision making process, which stimulated a simmering opposition and entrenched the main actors of the "culture wars", which persist to this day.
There is significant debate even among liberals whether Roe V Wade has helped or harmed the liberal cause, and if knowing what we know, there could have been another approach to achieve the same end.
In a nutshell, approaching the courts is a double edged sword. There may be some strategic gains in the short term, but the long term impact is unclear and unpredictable. A legislative approach might be slower and incremental, but it is less risky.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
This is exactly correct. It is not the question of right or wrong here. That is what gets folks so upset on this thread, they feel since their viewpoint s right then.......... Most neutral observers like mbartosik can see this as unjust and there may be many in the US as well, however certainly not the majority. However, there are many ways in which this could backfire. One example is the recently seen debate over illegal immigration and the turn in public sentiment. Truth be told, if someone did something wrong 12 yrs ago(crossed the fence), now is married to a US citizen and has 3 US children, what do you do with them? What about the 3yr old who was brought to the USA by their parents and knows no other system? Perhaps a few years ago joe public would have given them a pass, no more, the debate has become so nasty that positions have been hardened to the point that reason does not prevail. Another reason has something to do with the perceived sense of entitlement Americans sensed in the illegal immigrant community(of course fanned by Lou Dobbs and his ilk). These are complex issues and generally you will get a lot further appealing to someones sense of fairness than explaining how you are entitled to something and will take it from them if it is not given to you.
la6470
01-16 02:37 PM
The fact is , as I perceive it to be , is that when this country needed the IT consulting industry to boom (pre dot com and a few years thereafter) they allowed consulting companies to send their employers to the client site (I dont understand how else a consulting firm can operate). However now the situation is changed and as per some misguided folks in USCIS going after the h1b consulting companies will DRAMATICALLY improve the job market for locals here. However the truth is that it is not going to help the locals. With the introduction of cloud computing, widespread broadband penetration around the globe and the software as a service model - the services will simply shift to the most optimum location. You can allready see it happening - just go to elance.com or guru.com and you will see small (1-10) person companies based in India and Russia earning more than half a million USD per year. At the end of it - these are nothing but misguided efforts by a prehistoric government agency that is governed by archaic rules that are irrelevant in today's world.
