thomachan72
03-27 12:52 PM
I am just wondering.....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
when will the day come when a lot of us will rush to Delhi.....braving the cold/heat....stand for hours........dancing to tunes of pop singers......while awaiting our beloved PM to show up and take oath of office........just like hundreds of thousands did when obama took office.........
I am just wondering.....
will any one of us spend money to travel to Delhi to witness the next swearing cermony, assuming it where held in an open place, lets say raj ghat or something like that.
I am wondering.....
when will that charismatic leader (with really good intentions and sence of direction) emerge? from, a billion? Why is it taking so long? Is the whole germ pool spoiled? why dont we get the good ones to lead such populated nations? I dont have a clue about where and with whom the problem lies....
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eastindia
07-21 11:13 AM
My desi neighbor told me about it recently. What are your experience with Amway Quickstar. Have you guys made money from it?
PlainSpeak
01-13 12:54 PM
Do not overanalyze any bill- All these bills are mere drafts until they come on floor for debate, and even after that they go thru amendments, rewriting, and the final bill comes out in most cases to be very different from the original. Even after the bill is passed in both houses, the committees that are responsible in reconciling the bill will tweak it and fine tune it.
This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed � and at the last minute this provision was deleted.
IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.
So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.
So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World
The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.
The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
Mr amitjoey yours is the first sane reply to my comments till now. I like your style. And yes there is no sense sighting till the actual bill is tabled. What concerns me is the wil lof IV to do something right for a change. As i said in the inital post (which was long by the way, but sorry i am through in everything i do) the chances of the bill getting debated far less passing is so less it makes no sense to fight now. So all we have right now is dicsussions where me as concerned party in this matter have come up with an idea. Now an idea by definition is just that. begeneining. It might work out it might not work out but it has to be discussed through and that i all i was loking for, but unfortunalty some EB2 members on this forum got abusive and have now come to a level where they are lying about receiving nasty IM from me
As to your statement
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act).
I would humbly beg for some clarification because If not one immi friedly bill has come up for debate in the last 3 years what justification is there is the IV charter statement that we will fight for removal of country quota and recovery of unused visa. What chances are there that these 2 items wil be debated and be part of any immi friendly bill in the future
I am not sure if you have gone out in public recently but this country has become a lot less immigrant friendly for various reasons beyound the scope of this forum but nevertheless a lot less immigrant friendly
This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed � and at the last minute this provision was deleted.
IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.
So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.
So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World
The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.
The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
Mr amitjoey yours is the first sane reply to my comments till now. I like your style. And yes there is no sense sighting till the actual bill is tabled. What concerns me is the wil lof IV to do something right for a change. As i said in the inital post (which was long by the way, but sorry i am through in everything i do) the chances of the bill getting debated far less passing is so less it makes no sense to fight now. So all we have right now is dicsussions where me as concerned party in this matter have come up with an idea. Now an idea by definition is just that. begeneining. It might work out it might not work out but it has to be discussed through and that i all i was loking for, but unfortunalty some EB2 members on this forum got abusive and have now come to a level where they are lying about receiving nasty IM from me
As to your statement
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act).
I would humbly beg for some clarification because If not one immi friedly bill has come up for debate in the last 3 years what justification is there is the IV charter statement that we will fight for removal of country quota and recovery of unused visa. What chances are there that these 2 items wil be debated and be part of any immi friendly bill in the future
I am not sure if you have gone out in public recently but this country has become a lot less immigrant friendly for various reasons beyound the scope of this forum but nevertheless a lot less immigrant friendly
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samay
08-03 07:24 PM
My I 485 is pending(July '07 filer.) When applying to a university, how should I indicate my status? There are not many options to choose from: permanent resident, resident alien, international student, or other visa type.
Thanks!
You can chose the option of other visa type and state your status as I-485 pending or parolee.
Thanks!
You can chose the option of other visa type and state your status as I-485 pending or parolee.
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racoon786
07-10 11:44 AM
I am planning on moving to Canada in the next 12 months since I already have PR there. I have no hopes for getting GC any time soon and wouldn't want to be toyed by the USCIS, DOS, Senators and all the anti-immigration lobbies out there.
sledge_hammer
05-29 11:30 AM
Yes it will, unless there are more EB1I visas which could spill over to EB2I, in which case EB2I will move ahead of EB3I. But that guy has also said that the spill over may not happen because of the demand for EB1I.
Its just unbelievable that EB2I and EB3I (i.e. the persons who have PD when the numbers were calculated) will have to wait for about 19 years to get their GCs. We HAVE to do something about this.
60K EB2-I and 60K EB3-I pending so far. Does this mean Eb2 and EB3 dates will move together from now on for India?
Its just unbelievable that EB2I and EB3I (i.e. the persons who have PD when the numbers were calculated) will have to wait for about 19 years to get their GCs. We HAVE to do something about this.
60K EB2-I and 60K EB3-I pending so far. Does this mean Eb2 and EB3 dates will move together from now on for India?
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maximus777
08-19 10:51 AM
Another story doing the rounds.....
SRK as usual did not comb his hair and was dressed shabbily...
Immigration officer: Who are you?
SRK with a loud voice: " Im KING KHAN ".
Immigration officer: What......???
Other Immigration officer: Sir! He said he is KING KONG.....
Immigration officer : Guys catch the monkey in disguise......
SRK: Maahaaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa...
Immigration officer: Sir...Howz the monkey sounding like a Goat????
So this is how SRK was caged in America...
Good one! LMAO :D
SRK as usual did not comb his hair and was dressed shabbily...
Immigration officer: Who are you?
SRK with a loud voice: " Im KING KHAN ".
Immigration officer: What......???
Other Immigration officer: Sir! He said he is KING KONG.....
Immigration officer : Guys catch the monkey in disguise......
SRK: Maahaaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa Maahaa...
Immigration officer: Sir...Howz the monkey sounding like a Goat????
So this is how SRK was caged in America...
Good one! LMAO :D
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01-14 12:03 PM
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dealsnet
05-18 01:42 PM
It is not good to put fake identity in any forums. The guy (MARPHAD) pointed out have a good civic sense. Here admins are not paid. They have jobs, and not always watching people. This site is for every one. So the members have an obligation to find out the fake, anti immigrants. He may not be anti immigrant, but he have fake identity. So if you not correct, and going in wrong path, some one may point out to you. Do not expect you need or only obey a Police to get a direction. Grow up guys.
How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???
If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.
How has panini's profile in THIS THREAD got anything to do with immigration? this is NOT an immigration related thread. If you should police a person's profile in an immigration related thread no one would object, but this is the wrong thread. And isn't the default changeability the US ? Your accusations are pretty strong and doesn't seem to have any backing; what are the rumors that he has been spreading ? anti immigrant ???
If you should police this site, then ask the Admin's to close non immigration related threads that have a political debate involved.
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ivar
07-26 01:55 PM
You seem to be enjoying this thread. This should be lighten up - 2 :)
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dixie
08-27 11:54 PM
You dont need any law-firm to handle your canadian PR application .. it is straight-forward enough that any educated applicant can do it himself.
I am no physician myself, but from what I hear foreign physicians in Canada have to go through the whole battery of licensing exams all over again. The going will be tough at least initially till you get all the relevant licenses. But I just do not know of that many physicians who immigrated to Canada.
Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
I am no physician myself, but from what I hear foreign physicians in Canada have to go through the whole battery of licensing exams all over again. The going will be tough at least initially till you get all the relevant licenses. But I just do not know of that many physicians who immigrated to Canada.
Our frustration with the US legal immigration and retrogression seems endless. My wife and I are considering immigration prospects to Canada. Can somebody please suggest good responsive lawfirms that could handle a Canadian PR application? We would also appreciate some insight on Canadian immigration prospects for physicians. Thanks
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rsdang
07-29 05:29 PM
Friend wants to get married to his GF who is here on an F1 visa
He has had his GC for 2 years now
Questions?
- Can he get any paperwork for his spouse befor becoming a citizen?
- What is the fastest route for him to get his GF the GC?
Thanks
Randeep
He has had his GC for 2 years now
Questions?
- Can he get any paperwork for his spouse befor becoming a citizen?
- What is the fastest route for him to get his GF the GC?
Thanks
Randeep
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gc28262
01-16 09:47 AM
I have no problem with any individual but I hate my ex employer and their class ( in no uncertain terms ). I was earning for them , but he and his wife used to behave like big boss to me.Why I shed no tears for them. They think themselves as Ambani but will not hire few good marketing folks who can bring projects from direct clients. There business model is like the following example ( joke ). A bihari gone to punjab and started working for sardarji for food and shelter.While he asked the sardarji for food , he said go that building eat as much you want and take this tifin box and pack some food for me too. Just tell them that I have sent you . After some time Bihari came to know that it was Gurudwara and food was lunger. I consider these body shop no different then that Sardarji. Opening a co ( body shop ) requires phone and outlook. WOW. The h1b rules allow a space for them. With this new rule , they are gone for good. Let me make it very clear , I hate body shopper . It is mere chance that they are from particular state. I fully sympathize with all H1B holder and again let me insist all deserving H1b people will be better off with this memo. Let me quote a line from Ghalib " Jis diye me tel honge , rah jayenge bus wohi ".
Let me enjoy on potential demise of Body shopper including my ex employer. I am ready
If you were with an employer (consulting or not) for a long time that you regret now, you have yourself to blame. It is on ourselves to get out of disadvantageous situations. There are enough laws already to get rid of such long term contracts especially for H1B candidates. However many of us don't do that. In the end we stereotype entire set of companies based on our experience with a single company.
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Let me enjoy on potential demise of Body shopper including my ex employer. I am ready
If you were with an employer (consulting or not) for a long time that you regret now, you have yourself to blame. It is on ourselves to get out of disadvantageous situations. There are enough laws already to get rid of such long term contracts especially for H1B candidates. However many of us don't do that. In the end we stereotype entire set of companies based on our experience with a single company.
Blind men and an elephant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant)
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stupendousman11
09-12 05:48 PM
Here's my situation:
- H1B visa in the 6th year
- I140 approved
- I485 applied July 2 '07
- EAD and AP available
I am getting laid off on Sept 30, but will be on salary and benefits continuation (SBC) for 5 more months until Feb end ie. I'll be paid 100% of my base salary on a monthly basis. Assuming that I don't have another job offer by end Feb, my questions are:
1. What is my H1b status Oct 1 onwards? Am I still on H1 until Feb end? Or does my H1 get revoked the day the company intimates USCIS/INS?
2. How long do I have after Sept30 to find and job and retain my H1 status?
3. I have read somewhere that if there is an employment gap on an H1 the H1 transfer may get approved but I'll have to exit the country and get back in again. Is this correct?
4. Since I have an EAD, am I safe? Can I stay unemployed on an EAD?
5. My current EAD expires Oct 24. I had applied for a renewal Aug 6 so don't expect to get it before the Oct 24. Will this gap in EAD cause an issue with regards to my GC process or ability to stay in the country?
Thanks.
- H1B visa in the 6th year
- I140 approved
- I485 applied July 2 '07
- EAD and AP available
I am getting laid off on Sept 30, but will be on salary and benefits continuation (SBC) for 5 more months until Feb end ie. I'll be paid 100% of my base salary on a monthly basis. Assuming that I don't have another job offer by end Feb, my questions are:
1. What is my H1b status Oct 1 onwards? Am I still on H1 until Feb end? Or does my H1 get revoked the day the company intimates USCIS/INS?
2. How long do I have after Sept30 to find and job and retain my H1 status?
3. I have read somewhere that if there is an employment gap on an H1 the H1 transfer may get approved but I'll have to exit the country and get back in again. Is this correct?
4. Since I have an EAD, am I safe? Can I stay unemployed on an EAD?
5. My current EAD expires Oct 24. I had applied for a renewal Aug 6 so don't expect to get it before the Oct 24. Will this gap in EAD cause an issue with regards to my GC process or ability to stay in the country?
Thanks.
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leo2606
09-23 06:00 PM
nope, I understand, I see valid points in your opposition. I had a similar discussion with one of my friend couple of months back, I did question about how US economy gets boosted by just GC holders buying house.
But any way otherside I was thinking what's wrong in just trying.
You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??
Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).
But any way otherside I was thinking what's wrong in just trying.
You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??
Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).
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dilber
07-15 07:25 PM
For first quarter EB2 India will have 1/4 of 9,800(7% of 140k visas), which are 2,450 visas. I wonder
how u got 800 visas. I dont see much retrogression in EB2 dates other than some mild ones. And the dates move pretty fast on a whole.
About EB3: it wont be like now all the time. The Immigration reform bill wont keep failing all the time. There would be a time for it to pass in the next two years. As soon as it passes all our Employment Based categories, specifically EB3, will get greatest benefit with PDs almost becoming current.
Vdlrao:
First of let me congratulate you. You have been amazingly accurate time and time again about the movement. Do you have some internal sources:rolleyes:
Jokes aside I think you miss calculated the 2450 visas for the first quarter for the EB2 India. I think the 7% country limit is on a state as a whole including EB1, EB2, EB3, and others. So going by this India gets 9800 visas for a year without any spillovers. The spillovers happen in the final quarter only so for each of the first 3 quarters EB2 will get 28 percent of one fourth of 9800 and the same amount will go to EB1 and EB3 as well. so EB2 I gets 686 visas. But I agree with you that in the last quarter EB2 I will move very fast because it will get all the spillovers from EB1 and EB2 ROW..
how u got 800 visas. I dont see much retrogression in EB2 dates other than some mild ones. And the dates move pretty fast on a whole.
About EB3: it wont be like now all the time. The Immigration reform bill wont keep failing all the time. There would be a time for it to pass in the next two years. As soon as it passes all our Employment Based categories, specifically EB3, will get greatest benefit with PDs almost becoming current.
Vdlrao:
First of let me congratulate you. You have been amazingly accurate time and time again about the movement. Do you have some internal sources:rolleyes:
Jokes aside I think you miss calculated the 2450 visas for the first quarter for the EB2 India. I think the 7% country limit is on a state as a whole including EB1, EB2, EB3, and others. So going by this India gets 9800 visas for a year without any spillovers. The spillovers happen in the final quarter only so for each of the first 3 quarters EB2 will get 28 percent of one fourth of 9800 and the same amount will go to EB1 and EB3 as well. so EB2 I gets 686 visas. But I agree with you that in the last quarter EB2 I will move very fast because it will get all the spillovers from EB1 and EB2 ROW..
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crazyghoda
05-29 01:25 PM
software engineers now coming to US to Religious workers..
Maybe the temples and other places of worship need software to manage the huge donations all of us are making to God to make the dates move. :D
Just a joke folks, dont get worked up.
Maybe the temples and other places of worship need software to manage the huge donations all of us are making to God to make the dates move. :D
Just a joke folks, dont get worked up.
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alisa
02-18 11:49 PM
I think we can make some very credible and good arguments for ourselves.
a) The changing demographics require an increased level of immigration. It is upto this country to decide if it wants semi-skilled immigrants (Indian cooks and gardeners) and their siblings/parents, or high-skilled immigrants.
b) It is not really the smartest thing in the world to bring people here from foreign lands, let them work here in high-tech fields, and then send them back after 6-10 years so that they can compete against Americans from OUTSIDE America.
c) A lot of EB-based immigrants have been to American colleges and have graduate degrees. Again, see (b) above. Not the brightest idea to have this American-educated and trained high-skilled manpower forced to go back to India and China, the two main US competitors.
Atleast, not if you are America.
Bottomline is this. If there have been abuses of the system, and any system will be abused, then those need to be fixed. If there are loopholes, they need to be plugged (and people will come up with more loopholes.) But the USCIS should not throw the baby out with the bath water. Either this country values high-skilled immigrants, or it doesn't. The high-skilled immigrants need to know this, so that they can make decisions in their life. The incompetence of USCIS can't be the instrument of public policy making.
a) The changing demographics require an increased level of immigration. It is upto this country to decide if it wants semi-skilled immigrants (Indian cooks and gardeners) and their siblings/parents, or high-skilled immigrants.
b) It is not really the smartest thing in the world to bring people here from foreign lands, let them work here in high-tech fields, and then send them back after 6-10 years so that they can compete against Americans from OUTSIDE America.
c) A lot of EB-based immigrants have been to American colleges and have graduate degrees. Again, see (b) above. Not the brightest idea to have this American-educated and trained high-skilled manpower forced to go back to India and China, the two main US competitors.
Atleast, not if you are America.
Bottomline is this. If there have been abuses of the system, and any system will be abused, then those need to be fixed. If there are loopholes, they need to be plugged (and people will come up with more loopholes.) But the USCIS should not throw the baby out with the bath water. Either this country values high-skilled immigrants, or it doesn't. The high-skilled immigrants need to know this, so that they can make decisions in their life. The incompetence of USCIS can't be the instrument of public policy making.
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jchan
07-25 10:55 AM
IMO, both arguments and are valid as far as speculations are concerned. It all depends on perspective. In this thread, we are focusing on statistics and calculations. I my self did lot of calculations. However, objectively looking at Ron's comments, it appears like his concern and underlying message is what if USCIS won't adjudicate enough numbers and wastes visa numbers as it did lot of times. He is basing his prediction on years of experience. With recent pressure on DOS/USCIS to use visa number, I think, they are making an attempt to use up all numbers and that will definitely bring life to our calculations. But what If they do not do that.....and their 'target' is a low number.
Well, we are talking about 'cutoff date move', not actual approved I485's. If USCIS works in full steam, the EB2 backlog will be reduced quickly, which will result in cut off date move; if they don't, the DOS has to move date forward to allow more CP, that will also cause cut off date move. So either way, the horizontal spill over rule will have a huge positive impact on the EB2 dates move
Well, we are talking about 'cutoff date move', not actual approved I485's. If USCIS works in full steam, the EB2 backlog will be reduced quickly, which will result in cut off date move; if they don't, the DOS has to move date forward to allow more CP, that will also cause cut off date move. So either way, the horizontal spill over rule will have a huge positive impact on the EB2 dates move
zCool
05-11 10:13 AM
Takes 4 years to get Aussie citizenship now..
Citizenship is not a toll-pass.. you are taking an oath to be loyal to 1 country.. you are giving up another.. I think GC backlog is messing up with folks' heads.. the cavelier attitude abt things like citizenship etc.. :)
Citizenship is not a toll-pass.. you are taking an oath to be loyal to 1 country.. you are giving up another.. I think GC backlog is messing up with folks' heads.. the cavelier attitude abt things like citizenship etc.. :)
kuhelica2000
02-13 01:15 PM
Finally you hit the nail on its head. That�s why the per country limit is there so no one country with larger population can monopolize any agenda the way you are trying to do with IV.
On the contrary, fight for keeping the country limits will kill the movement as Indians who form more than 80% of IV will feel disillusioned and leave. Once that happens ROW can as well kiss the GC increase good bye.
Like grupak mentioned real workable solution is 1) Increase overall numbers (will benefit ROW as well as oversubscribed countries) 2) Eliminate the meaningless country quota. If there is an increase in overall numbers removal of country quotas will have very low impact on ROW. This is the fact.
But there are still some fanatics who pick up fights to keep the country quotas intact. If all of them quit IV damage will still be minimum, when compared to Indians (80% of IV) leaving. Movement will survive and thrive. How many ROW were there at DC rally? Of those present, half were on the stage. Of course I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
My challenge to ROW members who keep on harping about the split in the movement - PARTICIPATE!! Just being active on the forum and posting a hundred posts doesn't make you part of the movement. I hardly see many ROW members volunteering or accepting leadership roles. Unlike EB immigration, IV is open to everyone no matter where you were born. We don't have any 7% quota per country ! And yet, why are the active volunteers, leadership, contributors - the REAL movement- is disproportinately Indian.
Want to influence the movement, be a significant part of it. That's real democracy.
On the contrary, fight for keeping the country limits will kill the movement as Indians who form more than 80% of IV will feel disillusioned and leave. Once that happens ROW can as well kiss the GC increase good bye.
Like grupak mentioned real workable solution is 1) Increase overall numbers (will benefit ROW as well as oversubscribed countries) 2) Eliminate the meaningless country quota. If there is an increase in overall numbers removal of country quotas will have very low impact on ROW. This is the fact.
But there are still some fanatics who pick up fights to keep the country quotas intact. If all of them quit IV damage will still be minimum, when compared to Indians (80% of IV) leaving. Movement will survive and thrive. How many ROW were there at DC rally? Of those present, half were on the stage. Of course I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
My challenge to ROW members who keep on harping about the split in the movement - PARTICIPATE!! Just being active on the forum and posting a hundred posts doesn't make you part of the movement. I hardly see many ROW members volunteering or accepting leadership roles. Unlike EB immigration, IV is open to everyone no matter where you were born. We don't have any 7% quota per country ! And yet, why are the active volunteers, leadership, contributors - the REAL movement- is disproportinately Indian.
Want to influence the movement, be a significant part of it. That's real democracy.
