PlainSpeak
01-13 12:54 PM
Do not overanalyze any bill- All these bills are mere drafts until they come on floor for debate, and even after that they go thru amendments, rewriting, and the final bill comes out in most cases to be very different from the original. Even after the bill is passed in both houses, the committees that are responsible in reconciling the bill will tweak it and fine tune it.
This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed � and at the last minute this provision was deleted.
IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.
So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.
So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World
The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.
The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
Mr amitjoey yours is the first sane reply to my comments till now. I like your style. And yes there is no sense sighting till the actual bill is tabled. What concerns me is the wil lof IV to do something right for a change. As i said in the inital post (which was long by the way, but sorry i am through in everything i do) the chances of the bill getting debated far less passing is so less it makes no sense to fight now. So all we have right now is dicsussions where me as concerned party in this matter have come up with an idea. Now an idea by definition is just that. begeneining. It might work out it might not work out but it has to be discussed through and that i all i was loking for, but unfortunalty some EB2 members on this forum got abusive and have now come to a level where they are lying about receiving nasty IM from me
As to your statement
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act).
I would humbly beg for some clarification because If not one immi friedly bill has come up for debate in the last 3 years what justification is there is the IV charter statement that we will fight for removal of country quota and recovery of unused visa. What chances are there that these 2 items wil be debated and be part of any immi friendly bill in the future
I am not sure if you have gone out in public recently but this country has become a lot less immigrant friendly for various reasons beyound the scope of this forum but nevertheless a lot less immigrant friendly
This means that even good provisions can be deleted at any time during the debate, thru an amendment lobbied by the antis- if the EB Community is not vigilant.
To give you an insight: In Dec 2005, there was a line item in a bill that would have recaptured visas for EB applicants, the bill was passed � and at the last minute this provision was deleted.
IF you read through the provisions and the paper that IV created for lobby days in July 2010- Each one of the provisions and the underlying text that IV is asking for has been written with clear understanding of the issues EB applicants face- It is written in a way that if incorporated in any of the bills as an amendment- will give fair and balanced numbers to all categories -EB3, EB2.
So, regardless of which bill (Immigrant friendly) comes on the floor- IV will lobby to have this package included as an amendment. Or IV will lobby to get this inserted into the main bill.
So- Please, do not get worked up about EB3 vs EB2. OR India vs China vs World
The real work is to be vigilant about what bill has the chance to come on the floor and then lobby to get the amendments included.
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act). And here the IV Community is debating and fighting about provisions about one of 100 bills that might never see a chance on the floor.
The big battle is to advocate and lobby at grassroots to get a bill to come on the floor- persuade lawmakers to be cosponsors for a bill that will help us, and then when the bill is up for debate, we can talk about what we should include as amendments or insert in the main bill to make it fair for everybody.
Mr amitjoey yours is the first sane reply to my comments till now. I like your style. And yes there is no sense sighting till the actual bill is tabled. What concerns me is the wil lof IV to do something right for a change. As i said in the inital post (which was long by the way, but sorry i am through in everything i do) the chances of the bill getting debated far less passing is so less it makes no sense to fight now. So all we have right now is dicsussions where me as concerned party in this matter have come up with an idea. Now an idea by definition is just that. begeneining. It might work out it might not work out but it has to be discussed through and that i all i was loking for, but unfortunalty some EB2 members on this forum got abusive and have now come to a level where they are lying about receiving nasty IM from me
As to your statement
There are bigger issues for our community- Not one immigrant friendly bill has come up for debate in the last 4 years (exception is the dream act).
I would humbly beg for some clarification because If not one immi friedly bill has come up for debate in the last 3 years what justification is there is the IV charter statement that we will fight for removal of country quota and recovery of unused visa. What chances are there that these 2 items wil be debated and be part of any immi friendly bill in the future
I am not sure if you have gone out in public recently but this country has become a lot less immigrant friendly for various reasons beyound the scope of this forum but nevertheless a lot less immigrant friendly
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grupak
12-13 03:45 PM
Then fight for changing that constitutinality. Who made it? Why did they make it the way the made it? Slavery was supported legally way back.. If black community might have thought " They do not have a case" as somebody has created the constitution to suit their own need and "within the framework of that legality" "they do not have a case"... then still we may be seeing slaves around.
I understand your point that we are not yet "citizens"... but for many fair practices society must not differentiate.
BharatPremi, as I explained to at0474, I don't see how we can fight a law in a court (maybe we can). If a law is not implemented then we can get justice from the courts.
For changing the law, we as IV lobby congress and meet lawmakers. This is a different issue from the intent of the OP which was to challenge the legality of country quota. Seems like country quota is within the law.
I think even as non-citizens we can meet lawmakers and past experience (not IV related) suggest they will listen.
I understand your point that we are not yet "citizens"... but for many fair practices society must not differentiate.
BharatPremi, as I explained to at0474, I don't see how we can fight a law in a court (maybe we can). If a law is not implemented then we can get justice from the courts.
For changing the law, we as IV lobby congress and meet lawmakers. This is a different issue from the intent of the OP which was to challenge the legality of country quota. Seems like country quota is within the law.
I think even as non-citizens we can meet lawmakers and past experience (not IV related) suggest they will listen.
vhd999
09-04 03:37 PM
I am very reluctant to post in this thread. But could not resist.
Few weeks ago, I was watching TV here in US. The monsoon rains arrived late in AP and YSR declares that the rains have come back because he and his party are now in the power.
With a smirk on his face he says that the rain would not come if he had not won the elections.
He also states that the God was happy that he is in the power and blessed all the people with those rains.
I could not believe how these politicians can portray their self image and how those illiterate or hopeless people fall into their traps.
Now, it seems, the same rain is the cause for the brutal death of YSR. I am not sure how to interpret his own words.
Few weeks ago, I was watching TV here in US. The monsoon rains arrived late in AP and YSR declares that the rains have come back because he and his party are now in the power.
With a smirk on his face he says that the rain would not come if he had not won the elections.
He also states that the God was happy that he is in the power and blessed all the people with those rains.
I could not believe how these politicians can portray their self image and how those illiterate or hopeless people fall into their traps.
Now, it seems, the same rain is the cause for the brutal death of YSR. I am not sure how to interpret his own words.
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grupak
02-15 01:07 PM
You guys keep saying diversity is a FB immigration problem only not EB, hence no cap needed in EB.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Guys give it a rest. We are here to solve the backlog for all EB, and most effected are from a few countries. So unless the total number is increased by orders of magnitude, the pragmatic solution is what IV advocates. And IV is working to help everyone.
If there is fraud or some other problem in the H1B program, let the USCIS do the policing.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Guys give it a rest. We are here to solve the backlog for all EB, and most effected are from a few countries. So unless the total number is increased by orders of magnitude, the pragmatic solution is what IV advocates. And IV is working to help everyone.
If there is fraud or some other problem in the H1B program, let the USCIS do the policing.
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greencard_fever
07-16 08:42 PM
This whole thread is speculation, your basic assumption itself is wrong. The horizonal spill over is not a permanent policy or trend which will be practised. You should read the INA law clearly. But if this speculation makes you happy, enjoy! :)
How can they change the Spill over system every year? I think they will continue the Horizontal Spill over going forward.
How can they change the Spill over system every year? I think they will continue the Horizontal Spill over going forward.
gcpool
03-20 10:03 AM
I have heard that Job are not easily available there and the taxes are high.
Think about it. I know people who have filed and almost got it and have decided to stay. (Waste of time and money).
Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?
Thanks
Think about it. I know people who have filed and almost got it and have decided to stay. (Waste of time and money).
Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?
Thanks
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BharatPremi
09-24 11:40 AM
Please see my inline comment.
SROYC,
Can you give me USCIS or any other authentic Doc/link which states ICMP share is 7% of 28.6% ? In years I have not found such doc. Therefore, assuming USCIS works fairly :D I had to divide 28.6% by 5 - equal share for each country within particular category.
Yes, there are many other factors we will have to factor in like incoming flow of applications, swith over count, spillover at the end of the year.
SROYC,
Can you give me USCIS or any other authentic Doc/link which states ICMP share is 7% of 28.6% ? In years I have not found such doc. Therefore, assuming USCIS works fairly :D I had to divide 28.6% by 5 - equal share for each country within particular category.
Yes, there are many other factors we will have to factor in like incoming flow of applications, swith over count, spillover at the end of the year.
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senthil1
02-13 09:11 AM
I think unused other country quota is used for oversubscribed countries like India and china in the last quarter. If that is true then even removing country quota will not make much difference for Eb3. Now waiting time is 7 years. It will be 5 years for all the countries. When they remove country quota persons from countries like Europe may lose interest in applying gc as they may think is not worth for them to apply and wait 5 years or more as there is not much difference in lifestyle between US and Europe. I doubt US will remove country cap. But we never know as world changes fast nowadays.Anyhow country quota is not correct and it is similar to reservation in India. If reservation concept is correct then country quota is correct as every country in world get benefit.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with skill level. Consider this also, if no other countries come close to the 7% limit, but India and China are maxed out. Guess who loses just because of an arbitrary limit? Guess where those unused greencards go?
They go to a pile of greencards, left unused and wasted. Wash, rinse, repeat the same cycle year on year. June 07 will be a looooooong way away (if you are from a severely retrogressed country), don't kid yourself.
btw... i was agreeing with abhijitp.
Ethnicity has nothing to do with skill level. Consider this also, if no other countries come close to the 7% limit, but India and China are maxed out. Guess who loses just because of an arbitrary limit? Guess where those unused greencards go?
They go to a pile of greencards, left unused and wasted. Wash, rinse, repeat the same cycle year on year. June 07 will be a looooooong way away (if you are from a severely retrogressed country), don't kid yourself.
btw... i was agreeing with abhijitp.
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Openarms
10-29 04:46 PM
This is one of the dumbest idea ever discovered in this forum.
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_TrueFacts
09-05 03:26 AM
It is very troubling to note that one persons identity was uncovered online because his political views and legitimate concerns about the crimes of YSR (Good riddance to him).
IV must delete all posts relating to the uncovering of this gentlemans identity. And ensure it never happens again. If this is not done, we will lose faith and trust in IV.
IV core needs to understand this.
When criminal followers of YSR are abound even in USA, we have to deal with them. Shame on these educated idiots.
IV must delete all posts relating to the uncovering of this gentlemans identity. And ensure it never happens again. If this is not done, we will lose faith and trust in IV.
IV core needs to understand this.
When criminal followers of YSR are abound even in USA, we have to deal with them. Shame on these educated idiots.
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dilipcr
06-12 03:53 AM
dilipcr,
Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)
Nope I am not. I am suggesting that first let the deserving get the GCs and not waste time fighting for all
You are just trying to close the door behind you.
Nope. I want the deserving people to come in. My criterion for a deserving guy is that the person works directly for a company. If you believe my criterion is flawed then call it out. Dont go about saying that I have selfish motives. wage destruction not just affects me but also the future IV GC holders and citizens. So whats wrong in my calling it out ?
You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !
Yes everyone in America for sure and it includes the current H1bs and prospective GC holders
You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)
If by saying that the deserving should get the first opportunity to get in, I belong to the losers guild, then I salute your critical reasoning
You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.
There you go. No wonder I still come across the favorite Indian past time of attributing everything to luck. Yes I had my share of layoffs. Why isnt it viewed from a point of view of my tenacity of survive, hang on and push harder ? Why should it be luck that aided me ? So you want to twiddle your thumb hoping that luck would take you through this journey ? Why not take some action ? If I had sat in a corner weeping and blaming luck for my 3 layoffs in 1 year, i would not have been whatever I am today.
Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.
Yes I was a H1B to start with. But I did not represent an outsourcing company or a body shopping company. I was hired by a top notch company named MSFT. Ever heard of the spell check and grammar check algorithm in MS Word ? I had put in my 2 humble cents in developing an algorithm for MS Word 97 product then.
Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?
You still think that I joined MSFT then after depressing a citizen's wage.
It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.
If my self interest would serve a great good for the deserving what is wrong in that ?
BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.
Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !
Dude, Read Vivek Wadhwas findings carefully. He wants the best and the brightest to be provided unlimited visas. I agree with him completely. He is not for perpetual fraud and wage destruction as proferred by the outsourcing companies. Next time when you quote a defence, atleast quote something that supports your case not the opponent's :-)
Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)
Nope I am not. I am suggesting that first let the deserving get the GCs and not waste time fighting for all
You are just trying to close the door behind you.
Nope. I want the deserving people to come in. My criterion for a deserving guy is that the person works directly for a company. If you believe my criterion is flawed then call it out. Dont go about saying that I have selfish motives. wage destruction not just affects me but also the future IV GC holders and citizens. So whats wrong in my calling it out ?
You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !
Yes everyone in America for sure and it includes the current H1bs and prospective GC holders
You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)
If by saying that the deserving should get the first opportunity to get in, I belong to the losers guild, then I salute your critical reasoning
You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.
There you go. No wonder I still come across the favorite Indian past time of attributing everything to luck. Yes I had my share of layoffs. Why isnt it viewed from a point of view of my tenacity of survive, hang on and push harder ? Why should it be luck that aided me ? So you want to twiddle your thumb hoping that luck would take you through this journey ? Why not take some action ? If I had sat in a corner weeping and blaming luck for my 3 layoffs in 1 year, i would not have been whatever I am today.
Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.
Yes I was a H1B to start with. But I did not represent an outsourcing company or a body shopping company. I was hired by a top notch company named MSFT. Ever heard of the spell check and grammar check algorithm in MS Word ? I had put in my 2 humble cents in developing an algorithm for MS Word 97 product then.
Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?
You still think that I joined MSFT then after depressing a citizen's wage.
It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.
If my self interest would serve a great good for the deserving what is wrong in that ?
BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.
Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !
Dude, Read Vivek Wadhwas findings carefully. He wants the best and the brightest to be provided unlimited visas. I agree with him completely. He is not for perpetual fraud and wage destruction as proferred by the outsourcing companies. Next time when you quote a defence, atleast quote something that supports your case not the opponent's :-)
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walking_dude
02-14 09:37 AM
hopefulgc - also make the commitments clear! Its not just sufficient to support ( as in moral support) the cause. Its important to participate in it.
I think someone should change the Poll question to -
Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS?
1) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
2) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
3) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
4) No. I don't think it will work
It will make it clear to everyone voting 'Yes' what's expected of them.
hopefulgc - please dedicate some time and update your first post with more information on lawsuit, you may want to quote lazycis 's posts and other information.
A lot of people may not be very knowledgable and may backoff when they see the word "lawsuit".
Those who are saying YES on the poll - it is assumed that you will not backoff - if you have not yet updated your profile on IV - please update your complete profile - this will show that you can be counted on.
I think someone should change the Poll question to -
Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS?
1) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
2) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
3) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
4) No. I don't think it will work
It will make it clear to everyone voting 'Yes' what's expected of them.
hopefulgc - please dedicate some time and update your first post with more information on lawsuit, you may want to quote lazycis 's posts and other information.
A lot of people may not be very knowledgable and may backoff when they see the word "lawsuit".
Those who are saying YES on the poll - it is assumed that you will not backoff - if you have not yet updated your profile on IV - please update your complete profile - this will show that you can be counted on.
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venetian
09-15 07:16 PM
Two of my friends with 2005 EB2 PERM got the 485 approval using their 2003 EB3 PD (which were struck in backlog centers).
I assume many 2005 & 2006 EB2 PERM would have done similar PD porting and would have got approvals.
I assume many 2005 & 2006 EB2 PERM would have done similar PD porting and would have got approvals.
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logiclife
02-12 01:17 PM
I have seen this dog and pony show one too many times. Every year, people think that next year's quota of 140,000 will cause the dates for India and China to go forward in the October Bulletin. October will be the end of misery.
Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.
So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.
So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
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lazycis
02-12 10:06 PM
:confused:I apologize for my ignorance but
what is ROW ??
A row — also called a record or tuple—represents a single, implicitly structured data item in a table :) (I think the discussion becomes too hot, time to cool down, folks. The solution is not to remove per country limits, but to increase EB quota or at least to recapture lost visa numbers. Fight for removing per country limits will divide IV and is very unlikely to achieve something.)
what is ROW ??
A row — also called a record or tuple—represents a single, implicitly structured data item in a table :) (I think the discussion becomes too hot, time to cool down, folks. The solution is not to remove per country limits, but to increase EB quota or at least to recapture lost visa numbers. Fight for removing per country limits will divide IV and is very unlikely to achieve something.)
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Blessing&Lifeisbeautiful
07-24 04:55 PM
Its not the question of economy alone. When deciding to go back. Its a question about convenience.
a) I don't want to stand in line to pay my Electric/Telephone/House Tax/Income Tax/Train Ticket/Air Ticket/Bus Ticket/Children Admission-donations/Petrol Line/LP Gas Line/Restaurant Line/Chola Bhatura Line/Samosa Line/RTO Office line/Registration line/License Line/Stock Buy line/Stock Sell Line/Bank Deposit Line/Bank Draft Line/Fixed Deposit Line/Kisaan Vikas Patra Line/Registered/Speed post Line/Blue Dart Line/Company registration line/College admission line/College fee line/University degree line/Interview Line/Booking a Car line/Beer Whisky Line/Canteen Line.
Half the country stands in line, the other half manages the line. Neither has any civic sense.
b) I don't want to bribe babus who manage above lines to get ahead in line.
d) I don't want power failures/cooler failures/ac failures/broken roads/or other catastrophic system failures.
e) I dont want fake or mixed eating oil / flour / milk / cheese / butter / peppers / lentils / rice
f) I don't want dangerous chemical fertilizers in my produce (slow killers - massive kidney failure rate in India for past 10 years)
g) I don't want to teach my children dishonesty and tricks of survival/street smartness (in ref to corruption in India) which don't add any value to their personality.
h) The only reason I would wanna go back is for my immediate family and friends. Thats the only thing I miss when it comes to India. This is the major reason for a lot of us
I wouldn't go back and I believe even MK Gandhi himself would'nt leave from Africa for India in todays times. mmmm
Also Its the enemy within (corruption) which can cause great harm and we have that kind of enemy now. You can never ever change the attitudes which people carry in India without another revolution. True
I am sure I can come up with a huge list of positives too, They will sound very good and will give me a great feeling of fake National Pride. I'm happy you have mentioned that there are positives. I'm not sure I agree with the "fake National Pride". We were born into our country for a reason.
Now go ahead and kill me for saying all the above.!! These are you own opinions and I am sure many people will honor it. Afterall it is only the truth you spoke
WOW what can I say? Well spoken!! In a lot of points, I agree with you.
But then let me ask you something - have you been investing back home? Have you been building a house back home? Have you been putting money in a bank account/ shares back home?
Waiting for your answer
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a) I don't want to stand in line to pay my Electric/Telephone/House Tax/Income Tax/Train Ticket/Air Ticket/Bus Ticket/Children Admission-donations/Petrol Line/LP Gas Line/Restaurant Line/Chola Bhatura Line/Samosa Line/RTO Office line/Registration line/License Line/Stock Buy line/Stock Sell Line/Bank Deposit Line/Bank Draft Line/Fixed Deposit Line/Kisaan Vikas Patra Line/Registered/Speed post Line/Blue Dart Line/Company registration line/College admission line/College fee line/University degree line/Interview Line/Booking a Car line/Beer Whisky Line/Canteen Line.
Half the country stands in line, the other half manages the line. Neither has any civic sense.
b) I don't want to bribe babus who manage above lines to get ahead in line.
d) I don't want power failures/cooler failures/ac failures/broken roads/or other catastrophic system failures.
e) I dont want fake or mixed eating oil / flour / milk / cheese / butter / peppers / lentils / rice
f) I don't want dangerous chemical fertilizers in my produce (slow killers - massive kidney failure rate in India for past 10 years)
g) I don't want to teach my children dishonesty and tricks of survival/street smartness (in ref to corruption in India) which don't add any value to their personality.
h) The only reason I would wanna go back is for my immediate family and friends. Thats the only thing I miss when it comes to India. This is the major reason for a lot of us
I wouldn't go back and I believe even MK Gandhi himself would'nt leave from Africa for India in todays times. mmmm
Also Its the enemy within (corruption) which can cause great harm and we have that kind of enemy now. You can never ever change the attitudes which people carry in India without another revolution. True
I am sure I can come up with a huge list of positives too, They will sound very good and will give me a great feeling of fake National Pride. I'm happy you have mentioned that there are positives. I'm not sure I agree with the "fake National Pride". We were born into our country for a reason.
Now go ahead and kill me for saying all the above.!! These are you own opinions and I am sure many people will honor it. Afterall it is only the truth you spoke
WOW what can I say? Well spoken!! In a lot of points, I agree with you.
But then let me ask you something - have you been investing back home? Have you been building a house back home? Have you been putting money in a bank account/ shares back home?
Waiting for your answer
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bobzibub
07-12 10:35 AM
No professional foot ball team? Excuse me? http://www.cfl.ca/
Go BC Lions!
btw, I got this propaganda from the ruling party from back in British Columbia:
Large Surplus Builds Hospitals, Schools and Roads
July 11, 2007
B.C.'s Fiscal Year End Highlights:
Record budget surplus of $4.1 billion at fiscal year end allows for investments across B.C.
* Record $3.4 billion invested in building and upgrading schools, universities, colleges, hospitals, roads and bridges to improve services and meet the needs of a growing economy.
* $1 billion allocated to reducing B.C.'s total debt.
* B.C.'s economic growth, at 3.6% of real GDP, was second-highest in Canada and above the national average of 2.7%.
* Business investment grew by 9.5% and consumer spending, which accounts for about two-thirds of all economic activity in the province, grew by 5.3% in 2006.
* Third consecutive year B.C.'s Public Accounts received a clean audit opinion from the Office of the Auditor General.
*
VICTORIA � The BC Liberal government finished its fiscal year with a significant surplus, which helped fund a record investment in public infrastructure and lowered British Columbia�s debt, Finance Minister Carole Taylor announced with the release of the 2006/07 Public Accounts.
The audited financial statements show the Province of British Columbia ended the fiscal year with a surplus of $4.1 billion. The surplus, along with a drawdown of cash balances, allowed the Province to reduce debt by $1 billion and finance a record $3.4 billion investment in building and upgrading schools, universities, colleges, hospitals, roads and bridges to improve services and meet the needs of a growing economy.
�A big surplus means a big investment in our future,� said Taylor. �We are building health care facilities to meet the needs of an aging population, we are upgrading transportation networks to keep our economy moving, and we are expanding post-secondary spaces for our youth. Our surplus allows us to do this and still reduce B.C.�s debt.�
Taxpayer-supported capital spending increased to $3.4 billion in 2006/07, up $265 million compared to $3.1 billion in 2005/06. Over the past three years, the Province has delivered $8.8 billion in taxpayer-supported capital spending while simultaneously reducing debt.
�In 2006, the budget planned for debt to grow by $1.7 billion to help finance public building projects,� said Taylor. �Fortunately, we were able to use the larger-than-forecast surplus to both pay for these projects and pay down debt by $1 billion. Building our province and reducing debt are investments that will generate benefits for years to come.�
This is the third consecutive year the Public Accounts received a clean audit opinion from the Office of the Auditor General. The Public Accounts meet the standards of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles and fully consolidate information from school districts, universities, colleges and health authorities (SUCH sector) in the province�s reporting systems.
In addition to the Public Accounts, the Province also released its Ministerial Accountability Report, government's annual strategic plan report, and annual service plan reports for ministries and government agencies. The Ministerial Accountability Report details the fiscal and other accountability targets ministers have achieved. Service plan reports summarize the progress of individual ministries and agencies, as well as the government as a whole, in meeting the performance targets laid out at the beginning of each fiscal year.
Go BC Lions!
btw, I got this propaganda from the ruling party from back in British Columbia:
Large Surplus Builds Hospitals, Schools and Roads
July 11, 2007
B.C.'s Fiscal Year End Highlights:
Record budget surplus of $4.1 billion at fiscal year end allows for investments across B.C.
* Record $3.4 billion invested in building and upgrading schools, universities, colleges, hospitals, roads and bridges to improve services and meet the needs of a growing economy.
* $1 billion allocated to reducing B.C.'s total debt.
* B.C.'s economic growth, at 3.6% of real GDP, was second-highest in Canada and above the national average of 2.7%.
* Business investment grew by 9.5% and consumer spending, which accounts for about two-thirds of all economic activity in the province, grew by 5.3% in 2006.
* Third consecutive year B.C.'s Public Accounts received a clean audit opinion from the Office of the Auditor General.
*
VICTORIA � The BC Liberal government finished its fiscal year with a significant surplus, which helped fund a record investment in public infrastructure and lowered British Columbia�s debt, Finance Minister Carole Taylor announced with the release of the 2006/07 Public Accounts.
The audited financial statements show the Province of British Columbia ended the fiscal year with a surplus of $4.1 billion. The surplus, along with a drawdown of cash balances, allowed the Province to reduce debt by $1 billion and finance a record $3.4 billion investment in building and upgrading schools, universities, colleges, hospitals, roads and bridges to improve services and meet the needs of a growing economy.
�A big surplus means a big investment in our future,� said Taylor. �We are building health care facilities to meet the needs of an aging population, we are upgrading transportation networks to keep our economy moving, and we are expanding post-secondary spaces for our youth. Our surplus allows us to do this and still reduce B.C.�s debt.�
Taxpayer-supported capital spending increased to $3.4 billion in 2006/07, up $265 million compared to $3.1 billion in 2005/06. Over the past three years, the Province has delivered $8.8 billion in taxpayer-supported capital spending while simultaneously reducing debt.
�In 2006, the budget planned for debt to grow by $1.7 billion to help finance public building projects,� said Taylor. �Fortunately, we were able to use the larger-than-forecast surplus to both pay for these projects and pay down debt by $1 billion. Building our province and reducing debt are investments that will generate benefits for years to come.�
This is the third consecutive year the Public Accounts received a clean audit opinion from the Office of the Auditor General. The Public Accounts meet the standards of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles and fully consolidate information from school districts, universities, colleges and health authorities (SUCH sector) in the province�s reporting systems.
In addition to the Public Accounts, the Province also released its Ministerial Accountability Report, government's annual strategic plan report, and annual service plan reports for ministries and government agencies. The Ministerial Accountability Report details the fiscal and other accountability targets ministers have achieved. Service plan reports summarize the progress of individual ministries and agencies, as well as the government as a whole, in meeting the performance targets laid out at the beginning of each fiscal year.
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nandakumar
07-21 12:30 PM
I too live in Bay area and have been stalked by lot of Amway/quickstar folks, even couple of my friends tried all their tricks to make us Amway members, after repeated refusals they say that we are losers but in fact they are the losers, losing friends day by day.
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delax
07-24 09:23 PM
If this is indeed true, isn't it unfair to issue visas to Feb 2006 dates at a Consulate while people with 2005 dates are waiting for AOS. Can this be challenged in court?
Everything is fair in love and war and Immigration my friend! Cheers.
Everything is fair in love and war and Immigration my friend! Cheers.
Green_Always
08-15 05:42 PM
Why should it be a surprise?
How do PoE officers know if he is a film star in some foreign language movies?
Even if they knew, why is SRK so special that he should not be checked?
There was an instance when a pop singer from India(Daler Mehdi) was accused of smugling illegal immigrants disguised as musicians. Point is, if somebody is a celebrity, that does not make him/her un touchable?
I agree 100% simply Indian Media make more of this. I know only one face of SRK, who knows such big guys what they are into ?
How do PoE officers know if he is a film star in some foreign language movies?
Even if they knew, why is SRK so special that he should not be checked?
There was an instance when a pop singer from India(Daler Mehdi) was accused of smugling illegal immigrants disguised as musicians. Point is, if somebody is a celebrity, that does not make him/her un touchable?
I agree 100% simply Indian Media make more of this. I know only one face of SRK, who knows such big guys what they are into ?
immiuser123
07-24 07:00 PM
a) Now you can pay for 80% of the list you mentioned using Internet and e-seva kendras
b) With Right For Information act you can drag people to thier knees if someone asks for bribe.
d) You can have to see the move Die Hard 4
e & f) what about the products here from China
g) Well it depends on the kids
Its not the question of economy alone. When deciding to go back. Its a question about convenience.
a) I don't want to stand in line to pay my Electric/Telephone/House Tax/Income Tax/Train Ticket/Air Ticket/Bus Ticket/Children Admission-donations/Petrol Line/LP Gas Line/Restaurant Line/Chola Bhatura Line/Samosa Line/RTO Office line/Registration line/License Line/Stock Buy line/Stock Sell Line/Bank Deposit Line/Bank Draft Line/Fixed Deposit Line/Kisaan Vikas Patra Line/Registered/Speed post Line/Blue Dart Line/Company registration line/College admission line/College fee line/University degree line/Interview Line/Booking a Car line/Beer Whisky Line/Canteen Line.
Half the country stands in line, the other half manages the line. Neither has any civic sense.
b) I don't want to bribe babus who manage above lines to get ahead in line.
d) I don't want power failures/cooler failures/ac failures/broken roads/or other catastrophic system failures.
e) I dont want fake or mixed eating oil / flour / milk / cheese / butter / peppers / lentils / rice
f) I don't want dangerous chemical fertilizers in my produce (slow killers - massive kidney failure rate in India for past 10 years)
g) I don't want to teach my children dishonesty and tricks of survival/street smartness (in ref to corruption in India) which don't add any value to their personality.
h) The only reason I would wanna go back is for my immediate family and friends. Thats the only thing I miss when it comes to India.
I wouldn't go back and I believe even MK Gandhi himself would'nt leave from Africa for India in todays times.
Also Its the enemy within (corruption) which can cause great harm and we have that kind of enemy now. You can never ever change the attitudes which people carry in India without another revolution.
I am sure I can come up with a huge list of positives too, They will sound very good and will give me a great feeling of fake National Pride.
Now go ahead and kill me for saying all the above.!!
b) With Right For Information act you can drag people to thier knees if someone asks for bribe.
d) You can have to see the move Die Hard 4
e & f) what about the products here from China
g) Well it depends on the kids
Its not the question of economy alone. When deciding to go back. Its a question about convenience.
a) I don't want to stand in line to pay my Electric/Telephone/House Tax/Income Tax/Train Ticket/Air Ticket/Bus Ticket/Children Admission-donations/Petrol Line/LP Gas Line/Restaurant Line/Chola Bhatura Line/Samosa Line/RTO Office line/Registration line/License Line/Stock Buy line/Stock Sell Line/Bank Deposit Line/Bank Draft Line/Fixed Deposit Line/Kisaan Vikas Patra Line/Registered/Speed post Line/Blue Dart Line/Company registration line/College admission line/College fee line/University degree line/Interview Line/Booking a Car line/Beer Whisky Line/Canteen Line.
Half the country stands in line, the other half manages the line. Neither has any civic sense.
b) I don't want to bribe babus who manage above lines to get ahead in line.
d) I don't want power failures/cooler failures/ac failures/broken roads/or other catastrophic system failures.
e) I dont want fake or mixed eating oil / flour / milk / cheese / butter / peppers / lentils / rice
f) I don't want dangerous chemical fertilizers in my produce (slow killers - massive kidney failure rate in India for past 10 years)
g) I don't want to teach my children dishonesty and tricks of survival/street smartness (in ref to corruption in India) which don't add any value to their personality.
h) The only reason I would wanna go back is for my immediate family and friends. Thats the only thing I miss when it comes to India.
I wouldn't go back and I believe even MK Gandhi himself would'nt leave from Africa for India in todays times.
Also Its the enemy within (corruption) which can cause great harm and we have that kind of enemy now. You can never ever change the attitudes which people carry in India without another revolution.
I am sure I can come up with a huge list of positives too, They will sound very good and will give me a great feeling of fake National Pride.
Now go ahead and kill me for saying all the above.!!
