vdlrao
07-21 11:43 PM
vdlrao, Thanks for the great analysis.
I am using DOS visa statistics and I arrived at EB quota numbers for 2008 as 162,707. There were 22,707 unused FB visa's in 2007 based on the DOS visa statistics @ http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_1476.html
Typically the actual EB quota for the FY is revised in the September bulletin. I am not sure if DOS has already taken into account the new EB quota number for the Aug bulletin. If they hadn't taken into account the new quota number then we should see some forward movement in the Sep bulletin.
However the 28,795 AC-21 recaptured visa's U are talking about has already been used in 2002, please take a look at the below mentioned link for details regarding the usage of those visa's.
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY2003%20AppD.pdf
All the AC-21 recaptured visa's has been used by now.
mpadapa, I am getting 31,100 unused Family Based Visas for 2007 fiscal year from
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/LPR_FR_2007.pdf
.
DHS bulletin is not updated correctly like Employment Based AC21 VISAS? Please let me know.
I am using DOS visa statistics and I arrived at EB quota numbers for 2008 as 162,707. There were 22,707 unused FB visa's in 2007 based on the DOS visa statistics @ http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_1476.html
Typically the actual EB quota for the FY is revised in the September bulletin. I am not sure if DOS has already taken into account the new EB quota number for the Aug bulletin. If they hadn't taken into account the new quota number then we should see some forward movement in the Sep bulletin.
However the 28,795 AC-21 recaptured visa's U are talking about has already been used in 2002, please take a look at the below mentioned link for details regarding the usage of those visa's.
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY2003%20AppD.pdf
All the AC-21 recaptured visa's has been used by now.
mpadapa, I am getting 31,100 unused Family Based Visas for 2007 fiscal year from
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/LPR_FR_2007.pdf
.
DHS bulletin is not updated correctly like Employment Based AC21 VISAS? Please let me know.
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BharatPremi
12-14 02:23 PM
O.K. Forget for a moment about IN,China,MX and Philipines. Let me understand the "Quota" witihin "ROW"
Example: Britain, Pakistan.
Let's say next year tons of nationals of Britain Choose to apply under EB.
Let's say total is more than 7% of Total 1,40,000 limit.
Is that allowed?
Same question for Pakistan...
Example: Britain, Pakistan.
Let's say next year tons of nationals of Britain Choose to apply under EB.
Let's say total is more than 7% of Total 1,40,000 limit.
Is that allowed?
Same question for Pakistan...
voldemar
03-26 05:56 PM
Has it passed? I cant wait for it to happen. Once it does, I will feel more confident leaving my employer knowing....No, waiting for OMB clearance.
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snthampi
07-30 05:12 PM
Fake to you because you never had such a chance or courage in life. :D
But this dude is a hero.
This gives others a good idea. Instead of saying NO to Amway guys, people will start flirting with both the e-commerce idea and wife. The Amway guy will now have to decide between making money and his wife.
Well, I never had this type of GOLDEN chances. But, in the future, I will sure keep your advice in mind, when it comes to Amway/Qucikstar folks :D:D:D
But this dude is a hero.
This gives others a good idea. Instead of saying NO to Amway guys, people will start flirting with both the e-commerce idea and wife. The Amway guy will now have to decide between making money and his wife.
Well, I never had this type of GOLDEN chances. But, in the future, I will sure keep your advice in mind, when it comes to Amway/Qucikstar folks :D:D:D
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07-21 10:32 PM
vdlrao, Thanks for the great analysis.
I am using DOS visa statistics and I arrived at EB quota numbers for 2008 as 162,707. There were 22,707 unused FB visa's in 2007 based on the DOS visa statistics @ http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_1476.html
Typically the actual EB quota for the FY is revised in the September bulletin. I am not sure if DOS has already taken into account the new EB quota number for the Aug bulletin. If they hadn't taken into account the new quota number then we should see some forward movement in the Sep bulletin.
However the 28,795 AC-21 recaptured visa's U are talking about has already been used in 2002, please take a look at the below mentioned link for details regarding the usage of those visa's.
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY2003%20AppD.pdf
All the AC-21 recaptured visa's has been used by now.
It does look like all the AC21 numbers have been used up. Even if you don't take this into account, there are 40,000 + visa numbers available for use before Sep 30th.
Since we have been conditioned to receive only bad news for the past 3 years, we find it hard to believe. If this happens, EB-2 will get a good kickstart and with spillovers happening each quarter the dates should keep moving which vdlrao has been saying all along.
I also suspect among the 3 Llofgren bills, even if only the per-country quota elimination bill could be enacted, enough numbers may reach some long suffering EB3 India members.
I am using DOS visa statistics and I arrived at EB quota numbers for 2008 as 162,707. There were 22,707 unused FB visa's in 2007 based on the DOS visa statistics @ http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/statistics/statistics_1476.html
Typically the actual EB quota for the FY is revised in the September bulletin. I am not sure if DOS has already taken into account the new EB quota number for the Aug bulletin. If they hadn't taken into account the new quota number then we should see some forward movement in the Sep bulletin.
However the 28,795 AC-21 recaptured visa's U are talking about has already been used in 2002, please take a look at the below mentioned link for details regarding the usage of those visa's.
http://travel.state.gov/pdf/FY2003%20AppD.pdf
All the AC-21 recaptured visa's has been used by now.
It does look like all the AC21 numbers have been used up. Even if you don't take this into account, there are 40,000 + visa numbers available for use before Sep 30th.
Since we have been conditioned to receive only bad news for the past 3 years, we find it hard to believe. If this happens, EB-2 will get a good kickstart and with spillovers happening each quarter the dates should keep moving which vdlrao has been saying all along.
I also suspect among the 3 Llofgren bills, even if only the per-country quota elimination bill could be enacted, enough numbers may reach some long suffering EB3 India members.
sachug22
09-17 10:57 AM
Do you have any data to back your claim? I beleive there are more EB2 China numbers than India. I remember seeing some data a while back where Indian EB2 & Eb3 ratio was close to 50% where as China it was 80% EB2 to 20% EB3. Which makes me think there are more EB2 china than india.
Read this quote from Ron Gotcher, assuming that he is getting the data from CIS sources for EB2 ratio between India/China is 2.5 : 1
Immigration Information Discussion Forum - View Single Post - Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/33180-post56.html)
Read this quote from Ron Gotcher, assuming that he is getting the data from CIS sources for EB2 ratio between India/China is 2.5 : 1
Immigration Information Discussion Forum - View Single Post - Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/33180-post56.html)
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alterego
07-24 03:27 AM
For USCIS, 2007 was "let's reduce some backlog in EB3-category" year.
It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.
I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.
There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.
examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3
(2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.
p.s
I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)
Not only is that possible, but they are probably likely to do so. PERM adjudications have already slowed down. 140 PP has been all but squashed and 485 adjudications appear random. So your points are well taken.
It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.
I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.
There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.
examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3
(2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.
p.s
I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)
Not only is that possible, but they are probably likely to do so. PERM adjudications have already slowed down. 140 PP has been all but squashed and 485 adjudications appear random. So your points are well taken.
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HumJumboHathuJumbo
09-23 04:57 PM
you are buying a house. they are to give gc in return for us pumping money into the system which otherwise would not have come in
its not about their feelings or yours... there is a law and IV is trying to change the law by a legitimate process. do not use words like bribe which refer to improper personal payments for benefits that dont belong.
the new law should decide that... the discussion is open...
It should be under EB5 category since its an investment. How do you go from being a qualified skilled worker taking a job in US because no US ciitizen is available, to being qualified to buy a house?.
its not about their feelings or yours... there is a law and IV is trying to change the law by a legitimate process. do not use words like bribe which refer to improper personal payments for benefits that dont belong.
the new law should decide that... the discussion is open...
It should be under EB5 category since its an investment. How do you go from being a qualified skilled worker taking a job in US because no US ciitizen is available, to being qualified to buy a house?.
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angelfire76
05-29 09:24 PM
still ppl feel pulling others lag would get them GC - this commnity can never be united!:confused:
You are not getting the point. We are not pulling others down, they are pushing us down.
It's not a subtle difference.
You are not getting the point. We are not pulling others down, they are pushing us down.
It's not a subtle difference.
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gopinathan
07-28 08:24 PM
dude... that is fundamentally incomplete. you should add - "as long as you don't cause discomfort to others or trespass their personal space".. there is a big difference..
... No work is small or big , good or bad , work is work.. ... Grow up.
... No work is small or big , good or bad , work is work.. ... Grow up.
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Rb_newsletter
01-15 06:24 PM
then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
I don't know if you guys heard about back dated H1 denials. If not below is a case.
Candidate has 1 month left in his H1/I94. He applies for H1 extension and submits 3 month project contract. H1 application was shelved for 3 months. And on 4th month application was opened up by some officer. He sees the project already ended in previous month itself. Now officer denies the H1 extension request with back date. That is when candidate receives the denial notice, he was already out of status for previous 3 weeks.
But in realty candidate got his project extended for another 3 months. Concerned officer should have requested for the latest/current project status docs. If officer did so the candidate would not have to be victimized.
I don't know if you guys heard about back dated H1 denials. If not below is a case.
Candidate has 1 month left in his H1/I94. He applies for H1 extension and submits 3 month project contract. H1 application was shelved for 3 months. And on 4th month application was opened up by some officer. He sees the project already ended in previous month itself. Now officer denies the H1 extension request with back date. That is when candidate receives the denial notice, he was already out of status for previous 3 weeks.
But in realty candidate got his project extended for another 3 months. Concerned officer should have requested for the latest/current project status docs. If officer did so the candidate would not have to be victimized.
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nrk
09-15 04:42 PM
By seeing numbers, i am seeing a ray of hope with in one year i should hear some good news. Thanks for the R&D of all IV members
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
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Total 30000
==============
This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years
<=2004 2000
2005 10000
2006 13000
2007(july) 5000
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Total 30000
==============
This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).
Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/general-immigration-questions/8419-collaboration-on-visa-quota-data-analysis-6.html)
Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
EB2 50000
EB3 94000
EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714
We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well
2005
EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005
2006
India PERM applications = 18000
EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006
So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.
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amoljak
10-23 03:12 PM
Thanks eb3India.
How does the current company obtain a pre-approved labor? Does it buy the pre-app labour? Or is it SOLELY because someone in the company left (whose labor was approved)?
I was reading a lot about the controversy about why it should be stopped etc so i was wondering if someone had any documentation on why it was started in the first place and how it works
Thanks
The standard process approved by the DOFSY is that they sell 1500 pre-approved labors on E-bay every year. The Auction starts at 13:34 EST on February 7th each year and continues for a day. Once you buy the labors, there is a lobor subs market just like the stock market. People bid and buy labor certs whenever they need it.
( :) Take this post lightly )
How does the current company obtain a pre-approved labor? Does it buy the pre-app labour? Or is it SOLELY because someone in the company left (whose labor was approved)?
I was reading a lot about the controversy about why it should be stopped etc so i was wondering if someone had any documentation on why it was started in the first place and how it works
Thanks
The standard process approved by the DOFSY is that they sell 1500 pre-approved labors on E-bay every year. The Auction starts at 13:34 EST on February 7th each year and continues for a day. Once you buy the labors, there is a lobor subs market just like the stock market. People bid and buy labor certs whenever they need it.
( :) Take this post lightly )
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PrayForEveryone
07-10 11:45 AM
Friends,
Its upsetting to see USCIS playing with our lives. Inviting us to file AOS and then shutting the door on us when we did all the hard work to get here LEGALLY. I remember someone mentioning "GC is a scam". Did'nt USCIS attempt to do that with us? It all about ATTITUDE and at this point I hate USCIS/DOS's attitude towards us (Legal Immigrants) and our families. Starting June 13th, we all would shorten our life-span by 2-5 years due to this tension/excitement.
Well, most people would say US wont be affected even if we relocate in some other country. May be true! But my company keeps loosing work due to not finding the right candidate for the job. So they will of course!
In the long run, if this broken immigration system is not fixed, no business can afford to lose any resources when they know that there is demand in market. Microsoft has found other ways and this is the best example and more companies would soon follow. I hope that this mess gets cleaned soon!
I am moving to Australia to start a new venture!!
Its upsetting to see USCIS playing with our lives. Inviting us to file AOS and then shutting the door on us when we did all the hard work to get here LEGALLY. I remember someone mentioning "GC is a scam". Did'nt USCIS attempt to do that with us? It all about ATTITUDE and at this point I hate USCIS/DOS's attitude towards us (Legal Immigrants) and our families. Starting June 13th, we all would shorten our life-span by 2-5 years due to this tension/excitement.
Well, most people would say US wont be affected even if we relocate in some other country. May be true! But my company keeps loosing work due to not finding the right candidate for the job. So they will of course!
In the long run, if this broken immigration system is not fixed, no business can afford to lose any resources when they know that there is demand in market. Microsoft has found other ways and this is the best example and more companies would soon follow. I hope that this mess gets cleaned soon!
I am moving to Australia to start a new venture!!
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samay
07-28 04:39 PM
I have my EB3-RIR pending at NSC with PD JAN 2004. I-140 concurrently filed on July 23rd 2007 at NSC is still pending. I do have the EAD and AP approved.
I have another EB2 labor (PERM) certified but its I-140 was denied on the basis of qualification. I have 3 yr B.Sc + 2 Yr. Post Graduate Diploma from India. This labor was certified on Dec. 26th 2006 and I-140 was denied last year after replying to the RFE raised regarding qualification. USCIS was looking for 4 yrs. degree instead of 3 yrs. They didn't accept my 2 yrs. post graduate on top of my 3 yrs. B.Sc degree.
My question: Is it advisable to go ahead and revive this PERM labor to file fresh I-140 again? If Yes, then what all I should do before filing the fresh I-140? I have almost 8 years of work experience in USA beside my 3+2 years degree from India.
Please advise.
Was your 8 year experience not mentioned in the I-140 application. To give you a clear answer on your options i will have to go through your documents.
I have another EB2 labor (PERM) certified but its I-140 was denied on the basis of qualification. I have 3 yr B.Sc + 2 Yr. Post Graduate Diploma from India. This labor was certified on Dec. 26th 2006 and I-140 was denied last year after replying to the RFE raised regarding qualification. USCIS was looking for 4 yrs. degree instead of 3 yrs. They didn't accept my 2 yrs. post graduate on top of my 3 yrs. B.Sc degree.
My question: Is it advisable to go ahead and revive this PERM labor to file fresh I-140 again? If Yes, then what all I should do before filing the fresh I-140? I have almost 8 years of work experience in USA beside my 3+2 years degree from India.
Please advise.
Was your 8 year experience not mentioned in the I-140 application. To give you a clear answer on your options i will have to go through your documents.
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thomachan72
08-19 08:19 AM
I'm not from India, so you know how non-Indian will look at this issue.
First of all, thanks to IV for helping our cause.
Same as vinzen, that I usually just browse through this kinda topic, but I can't help to reply.
Have several question:
1. How many non-Indian in USA that watch bollywood movie? So, what makes him a high profile in the eyes of Immigration officer (IO)? Do we need to educate all IO to recoqnize all the actors in India, Pakistan, China, Japan, Korea and all others?
I personally never heard of this SRK guy before reading this thread. So how would you guys expect the immigration officer, who's mostlikely non-Indian, would know this guy? I agree with Pappu that says "He is a famous actor to a very very small minority Indian Community in USA".
2. Looking at how he make big deal of this in media. He probably cause this delay by himself. I can imagine the conversation at the immigration office as (copying all the answer from Ryan's earlier comment on what he's asked for when he came here):
IO: Why are you visiting US?
SRK: Do you know that I'm SRK?
IO: Who do you work for?
SRK: I'm SRK, now let me pass.
IO: Where will you live in US?
SRK: I'm SRK
IO: How long have you been in US?
SRK: I'm SRK
IO: Do you have family here?
SRK: I'm SRK
And it goes on and on for 66 mins or 2 hrs until he finally realize that he's a nobody in US.
This is the kinda thread that non-Indian will laugh at. There's lots of non-Indian that goes to this public forum (such as me). Just trying to help IV to not lose credential just because of this sorts of "indian" exclusive thread.
My friend this is the greatest post ever. A real eye opener. But remember that it is through threads like these that you get to see the "real" Indian ideals. I am very sad to say that most of us Indians are screwed up with this idol worship. The conversation between SRK and IO that you put out is exactly true. I know a friend of mine who was waiting in line for the visa interview and ofcourse he is a megalomaniac (world revolves around him). He saw (or imagined) the visa officer talking tough to a women who apparently did not understand english right in front of him and decided he has to be the mesiah (savior). He jumped in and tried to save the women. Ultimately he was denied the visa and ofcourse he later met the women outside who was smiling because she had been granted one. that is why your conversation makes very good sense here. "I am SRK":D:D:D
First of all, thanks to IV for helping our cause.
Same as vinzen, that I usually just browse through this kinda topic, but I can't help to reply.
Have several question:
1. How many non-Indian in USA that watch bollywood movie? So, what makes him a high profile in the eyes of Immigration officer (IO)? Do we need to educate all IO to recoqnize all the actors in India, Pakistan, China, Japan, Korea and all others?
I personally never heard of this SRK guy before reading this thread. So how would you guys expect the immigration officer, who's mostlikely non-Indian, would know this guy? I agree with Pappu that says "He is a famous actor to a very very small minority Indian Community in USA".
2. Looking at how he make big deal of this in media. He probably cause this delay by himself. I can imagine the conversation at the immigration office as (copying all the answer from Ryan's earlier comment on what he's asked for when he came here):
IO: Why are you visiting US?
SRK: Do you know that I'm SRK?
IO: Who do you work for?
SRK: I'm SRK, now let me pass.
IO: Where will you live in US?
SRK: I'm SRK
IO: How long have you been in US?
SRK: I'm SRK
IO: Do you have family here?
SRK: I'm SRK
And it goes on and on for 66 mins or 2 hrs until he finally realize that he's a nobody in US.
This is the kinda thread that non-Indian will laugh at. There's lots of non-Indian that goes to this public forum (such as me). Just trying to help IV to not lose credential just because of this sorts of "indian" exclusive thread.
My friend this is the greatest post ever. A real eye opener. But remember that it is through threads like these that you get to see the "real" Indian ideals. I am very sad to say that most of us Indians are screwed up with this idol worship. The conversation between SRK and IO that you put out is exactly true. I know a friend of mine who was waiting in line for the visa interview and ofcourse he is a megalomaniac (world revolves around him). He saw (or imagined) the visa officer talking tough to a women who apparently did not understand english right in front of him and decided he has to be the mesiah (savior). He jumped in and tried to save the women. Ultimately he was denied the visa and ofcourse he later met the women outside who was smiling because she had been granted one. that is why your conversation makes very good sense here. "I am SRK":D:D:D
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justAnotherFile
06-28 08:10 PM
As per Macaca's logic, pre Oct 2005 PDs will take up all the numbers available for EB2 Indai for 2007, in June and July.
If that is the case why was the Bulletin for july not set to Oct or Nov 2005 and instead made current. Surely USCIS does not want to deal with all the extra workload if it does not have to.
If that is the case why was the Bulletin for july not set to Oct or Nov 2005 and instead made current. Surely USCIS does not want to deal with all the extra workload if it does not have to.
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amsgc
07-04 11:42 AM
My suggestions:
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"
"Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?"
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"
"Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?"
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rajeev_74
09-24 07:04 AM
for people who own or will buy homes ? We could also say that this can come from recapture but only for already or potential home owners...
It could be part of the Bail out package...
It could be part of the Bail out package...
2008FebEb2
07-16 05:38 PM
How many of you think theres a Possibility of Current for EB2 India in either of the Jul/Aug/Sep 2009 bulletins, just like a more than 2 years jump in Aug 2008 bulletin.
Hello Mr.vdlrao,
When do you think 2008FebEB2 will be current? Any comments? :D
Hello Mr.vdlrao,
When do you think 2008FebEB2 will be current? Any comments? :D
Jungle_Cat
02-14 02:37 PM
$25 for intial consultation....If there is a solid ground to go forward,am there for this movement.
