rustamehind
07-19 10:08 AM
My spouse is landing here on Aug 15. That leaves only one day to get medicals done. Any suggestions on how to handle this ? Can she skip skin test and take X-rays directly ?
For skin PPD test , you have to go back to Doctor after 24-72 hours to show the reaction.If nothing comes up its good , but incase you are positive then you will have to go for XRay , so obviously you need to plan for more than 1 day.
For skin PPD test , you have to go back to Doctor after 24-72 hours to show the reaction.If nothing comes up its good , but incase you are positive then you will have to go for XRay , so obviously you need to plan for more than 1 day.
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amitjoey
07-08 04:36 PM
I just read a story about being a strong community, and although IV is not just about Indians, or any particular ethnic group. What I would like to illustrate is that: It is true, that we need to unite as a community. An IV- Community for all law abiding legal immigrants!.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/08abuse.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/08abuse.htm
rajmirk
05-26 01:26 PM
Thanks for greaat posts, everyone. Just to follow up with Jaime's point it is tru that we are not all from India or Aisia in general. I guess I should have mentioned that. I am from a northern place - from Russia. Actually I was born and raised in one of the southern former Soviet republics, which had relatively warmer climate. But I lived for over 5 years in Russia before coming here. I just mention that, because I read it the cold Canadian weather seems to be the number one downside. It is not such a big deal to me or my wife, because it was as cold or perhaps even colder back home.
Just as Jaime I am not here just for ecenomic reasons. I wuld be better off (financially) back home. I guess we are in search of better life (qualitatively), and that is why I am wondering about Canada.
And perhaps due to somewhat European backgraund I seem to have nostalgia for European flare sometimes; hence the questions about Montreal (which I presume is a bit more European that TO).
I guess I would like to put a streignt question to those who lived in or familiar with Canada.
- I am from a Northen Country (even leave in Northeast here in US).
- I worked full time for 5 years in US (plus a year of internship)
- My field is Not IT though, it is in business (data analysis, finance, supply chains, etc)
- My in English is quite good (for and immigrant especially)
- I have some basic knowledge of French and willing to learn more
- I have a Masters degree (few actually) from US universities
- As I mentioned I have a family including kids.
My question is - what do you think my chances are in Canada in general, and in Montreal specifically?
I would appreciate any response. Thank you very much!
Go for it! My earlier comments would be mostly applicable to folks from the sub-continent - which you seem to be not and looking at your priorities and what you already have, might work out perfectly for you. Best wishes.
Just as Jaime I am not here just for ecenomic reasons. I wuld be better off (financially) back home. I guess we are in search of better life (qualitatively), and that is why I am wondering about Canada.
And perhaps due to somewhat European backgraund I seem to have nostalgia for European flare sometimes; hence the questions about Montreal (which I presume is a bit more European that TO).
I guess I would like to put a streignt question to those who lived in or familiar with Canada.
- I am from a Northen Country (even leave in Northeast here in US).
- I worked full time for 5 years in US (plus a year of internship)
- My field is Not IT though, it is in business (data analysis, finance, supply chains, etc)
- My in English is quite good (for and immigrant especially)
- I have some basic knowledge of French and willing to learn more
- I have a Masters degree (few actually) from US universities
- As I mentioned I have a family including kids.
My question is - what do you think my chances are in Canada in general, and in Montreal specifically?
I would appreciate any response. Thank you very much!
Go for it! My earlier comments would be mostly applicable to folks from the sub-continent - which you seem to be not and looking at your priorities and what you already have, might work out perfectly for you. Best wishes.
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ragz4u
04-01 03:15 PM
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GCapplicant
07-08 04:43 PM
Nothing much is going to happen.she clearly has said 6039 is gone.So recapturing no doubt its also gone.
They love illegals than us.Immigration reforms means illegals,amnesty and citizenships.
I havnt received my AP applied Jun 29 2007.Nebraska.
Whenever we call them they have a standard answer 30 days,then 60 days.
Latest 30 days.
Its the same for GC too.
They are least bothered.CHC must have been everything.Is every immigrant genious,scientists,doctors,engineers like they have argued.They cannot build wall with only so called expected genious.
Discrimination to the core.
Not even next summer.
may be they will do for amnesty.so they can again boycott us and be busy with those applications.Lawyers can also earn well.
Great! God bless us.
They love illegals than us.Immigration reforms means illegals,amnesty and citizenships.
I havnt received my AP applied Jun 29 2007.Nebraska.
Whenever we call them they have a standard answer 30 days,then 60 days.
Latest 30 days.
Its the same for GC too.
They are least bothered.CHC must have been everything.Is every immigrant genious,scientists,doctors,engineers like they have argued.They cannot build wall with only so called expected genious.
Discrimination to the core.
Not even next summer.
may be they will do for amnesty.so they can again boycott us and be busy with those applications.Lawyers can also earn well.
Great! God bless us.
jsb
01-14 11:01 AM
Tired of waiting ( PD: August 2001) I finally wrote to both my local congressman and Senator today. My senator is on senate Immigration commitee so lets see what happens. Hopefully something will move.
If this doesnt help I will try Ombudsman next after couple of months. The Ombudsman form has a question of if you have tried through Congressman etc first so we can try and see that.
Guys its so funny when you see ppl with PD of 2003 and 2005 complaining and bitching. Here we have waited 7 + yrs our PD's are current and we are doing OK. Wait sure brings maturity :)
USCIS does not process cases in PD order, because they can't. Thousands of files they receive, are sequenced in order they receive them at Centers. They claim that cases are processed in order they receive them. "Receive Date" is not what you see on your receipt, it is the date they physically received the case on (thus if case is moved from one center to another, true Receive Date is the date it was recieved by the last center). You see this data online status as "...we received (or transferred) your case on ...".
PD critieria is limited to certain countries only. Therefore, by and large, "cases are processed in order they are received..." works well. However, for India, China etc. where PD cutoff has to be factored, it is used merely to decide to work or skip a file (when seen in the receive date order). If PD cutoff date is very restricted, they will have to skip a lot of cases, which slows them down. That's the reason every July they ask for wider PD cutoff dates so that they can consume a lot of visas, as they don't have to skip that many cases.
This process is a mockery of the PD cutoff dates, but that's how it works. If you sent your case on June 28, 07, with July 2, 07 as the printed Receive Data on your receipt, but the case where it finally rested, was entered in their database on Oct. 28, '07 (with a Notice Date soon thereafter), you case will not be looked at, no matter what the PD cutoff date is, unless all cases received before Oct. 28, '07 have been reviewed.
If this doesnt help I will try Ombudsman next after couple of months. The Ombudsman form has a question of if you have tried through Congressman etc first so we can try and see that.
Guys its so funny when you see ppl with PD of 2003 and 2005 complaining and bitching. Here we have waited 7 + yrs our PD's are current and we are doing OK. Wait sure brings maturity :)
USCIS does not process cases in PD order, because they can't. Thousands of files they receive, are sequenced in order they receive them at Centers. They claim that cases are processed in order they receive them. "Receive Date" is not what you see on your receipt, it is the date they physically received the case on (thus if case is moved from one center to another, true Receive Date is the date it was recieved by the last center). You see this data online status as "...we received (or transferred) your case on ...".
PD critieria is limited to certain countries only. Therefore, by and large, "cases are processed in order they are received..." works well. However, for India, China etc. where PD cutoff has to be factored, it is used merely to decide to work or skip a file (when seen in the receive date order). If PD cutoff date is very restricted, they will have to skip a lot of cases, which slows them down. That's the reason every July they ask for wider PD cutoff dates so that they can consume a lot of visas, as they don't have to skip that many cases.
This process is a mockery of the PD cutoff dates, but that's how it works. If you sent your case on June 28, 07, with July 2, 07 as the printed Receive Data on your receipt, but the case where it finally rested, was entered in their database on Oct. 28, '07 (with a Notice Date soon thereafter), you case will not be looked at, no matter what the PD cutoff date is, unless all cases received before Oct. 28, '07 have been reviewed.
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lazycis
12-18 02:41 PM
Sorry to hear about your situation. You should've taken unpaid leave for two weeks instead of a lay off. Now you definitely should not file AC21 and hope that the USCIS will not issue RFE (rarely happens). It doesn't matter how you quit, if the USCIS finds about it, it will probably deny I-485.
Regarding Shusterman's Q&A. I am not sure where he is coming from. The law (8 USC 1154) does not provide for lay-off exception. Wait... The USCIS memo says this:
"Question 10. Should service centers or district offices deny portability cases on the sole basis that the alien has left his or her employment with the I-140 petitioner prior to the I-485 application pending for 180 days?
Answer: No. The basis for adjustment is not actual (current) employment but prospective employment. Since there is no requirement that the alien have ever been employed by the petitioner while the I-140 and/or I-485 was pending, the fact that an alien left the I-140 petitioner before the I-485 has been pending 180 days will not necessarily render the alien ineligible to port. However, in all cases an offer of employment must have been bona fide. This means that, as of the time the I-140 was filed and at the time of filing the I-485 if not filed concurrently, the I-140 petitioner must have had the intent to employ the beneficiary, and the alien must have intended to undertake the employment, upon adjustment. Adjudicators should not presume absence of such intent and may take the I-140 and supporting documents themselves as prima facie evidence of such intent, but in appropriate cases additional evidence or investigation may be appropriate."
So you may not be in a bad shape after all. As for whether to file AC21 papers in your situation, I am not sure. I would not do it.
Regarding Shusterman's Q&A. I am not sure where he is coming from. The law (8 USC 1154) does not provide for lay-off exception. Wait... The USCIS memo says this:
"Question 10. Should service centers or district offices deny portability cases on the sole basis that the alien has left his or her employment with the I-140 petitioner prior to the I-485 application pending for 180 days?
Answer: No. The basis for adjustment is not actual (current) employment but prospective employment. Since there is no requirement that the alien have ever been employed by the petitioner while the I-140 and/or I-485 was pending, the fact that an alien left the I-140 petitioner before the I-485 has been pending 180 days will not necessarily render the alien ineligible to port. However, in all cases an offer of employment must have been bona fide. This means that, as of the time the I-140 was filed and at the time of filing the I-485 if not filed concurrently, the I-140 petitioner must have had the intent to employ the beneficiary, and the alien must have intended to undertake the employment, upon adjustment. Adjudicators should not presume absence of such intent and may take the I-140 and supporting documents themselves as prima facie evidence of such intent, but in appropriate cases additional evidence or investigation may be appropriate."
So you may not be in a bad shape after all. As for whether to file AC21 papers in your situation, I am not sure. I would not do it.
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sidm
04-10 12:11 AM
Damn, man it feels like you are reading my mind.
Irrespective of the immigration impact and its direct effect on me, I have tried analyzing the situation at the macro level and I end up at the same conclusion.
Health care, immigration, social security insolvency etc. no one cares about anything. Companies want to bring skilled labor in and it is being decided by a lottery!! I mean give me a God damn break. In the supposedly knowledge-driven economy, skilled workers are being selected by a lottery!
Medical emergencies are the leading cause of bankruptcy and there is just talk on the issue, no action.
Farms are shutting down and moving operations to Mexico. So now the oil will come from Middle East, manufactured goods from China and food from Mexico. And people are Ok with that because "companies just need to pay higher wages to *American* workers" So on top of $ 4 /gallon gas, we will be paying $ 8 for tomatoes.
There are not the marks of a prospering or forward-looking nation. May be I am becoming cynical as I grow older and may be things are no better in other countries like Canada, UK etc. But sometimes I feel as if I am watching a bad comedy show in slow motion. I question myself if my son, a US citizen by birth, will end up growing in a 2nd world country.
America was built by immigrants who came here with no sense of entitlement...just hope.....whether it was the Jamestown settlers....the Bavarian farmers....the Irish escaping the potato famine....the East Europeans fleeing communism.....and the recent Indian, Chinese, Japanese and other Asian populations looking to escape corruption and nepotism back home....
I fail to see how people these days forget this....one of my good friends acknowledges that his grandparents came as refugees fleeing strife in Europe but at the same time curses immigrants for the current woes.....and this guy is not a racist....an entire generation has been brought up to use the i-word as the substitute for the n-word since that is now politically incorrect....:mad:
Like the Klan leaders of yesterday, the Lou Dobbs of today never desist in blaming the 'immigrants' for everything....:(
Irrespective of the immigration impact and its direct effect on me, I have tried analyzing the situation at the macro level and I end up at the same conclusion.
Health care, immigration, social security insolvency etc. no one cares about anything. Companies want to bring skilled labor in and it is being decided by a lottery!! I mean give me a God damn break. In the supposedly knowledge-driven economy, skilled workers are being selected by a lottery!
Medical emergencies are the leading cause of bankruptcy and there is just talk on the issue, no action.
Farms are shutting down and moving operations to Mexico. So now the oil will come from Middle East, manufactured goods from China and food from Mexico. And people are Ok with that because "companies just need to pay higher wages to *American* workers" So on top of $ 4 /gallon gas, we will be paying $ 8 for tomatoes.
There are not the marks of a prospering or forward-looking nation. May be I am becoming cynical as I grow older and may be things are no better in other countries like Canada, UK etc. But sometimes I feel as if I am watching a bad comedy show in slow motion. I question myself if my son, a US citizen by birth, will end up growing in a 2nd world country.
America was built by immigrants who came here with no sense of entitlement...just hope.....whether it was the Jamestown settlers....the Bavarian farmers....the Irish escaping the potato famine....the East Europeans fleeing communism.....and the recent Indian, Chinese, Japanese and other Asian populations looking to escape corruption and nepotism back home....
I fail to see how people these days forget this....one of my good friends acknowledges that his grandparents came as refugees fleeing strife in Europe but at the same time curses immigrants for the current woes.....and this guy is not a racist....an entire generation has been brought up to use the i-word as the substitute for the n-word since that is now politically incorrect....:mad:
Like the Klan leaders of yesterday, the Lou Dobbs of today never desist in blaming the 'immigrants' for everything....:(
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nirenjoshi
06-27 08:56 AM
You have already got your case approved. Then why do you mention " ... shall we all unite and file the applications ..." This is like Al Gore wasting energy in his own office and preaching to the world to reduce global warming.
I dont see any merit in your suggestion. Rather to the cynical eye, it all seems sinister.
I understand that there is lot of fear among applicants that USCIS might retrogress the dates interimly sometime in july due to the expected high volume of applications filing in the begining of july.
To minimize the chance of USCIS from taking any such steps, shall we all unite and file the applications on a specific date in july probably on 30th of july? This will accomodate all applicants...so that we shall all be winners and use this opportunity to our advantage instead of competing amongst each other...where only a few will be winners and others will be loosers.
This will also reduce the pressure among applicants , attorneys and doctors.
Can the AILA cooperate? Will there be unity amongst applicants to make this possible??? any ideas ??
I dont see any merit in your suggestion. Rather to the cynical eye, it all seems sinister.
I understand that there is lot of fear among applicants that USCIS might retrogress the dates interimly sometime in july due to the expected high volume of applications filing in the begining of july.
To minimize the chance of USCIS from taking any such steps, shall we all unite and file the applications on a specific date in july probably on 30th of july? This will accomodate all applicants...so that we shall all be winners and use this opportunity to our advantage instead of competing amongst each other...where only a few will be winners and others will be loosers.
This will also reduce the pressure among applicants , attorneys and doctors.
Can the AILA cooperate? Will there be unity amongst applicants to make this possible??? any ideas ??
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gapala
02-12 11:49 PM
Unfortunately IRS doesn't help.. And employer get benefit of doubt for lost mail :-) But they'll send you a form to fill and submit instead of W2... At least thats what I experienced... I also thought that employer cannot withold W2.. But yes, they can... due to lost mail concept :-) They'd send W2 copy to IRS without fail.. just the mail to employee would be lost...
That reason if not genuine would be a lie and its a crime especially when it comes to tax matters and uncle sam is involved. I was advised by a atorney to file a complaint and in my case the customer care at IRS contacted the company HR directly.
That reason if not genuine would be a lie and its a crime especially when it comes to tax matters and uncle sam is involved. I was advised by a atorney to file a complaint and in my case the customer care at IRS contacted the company HR directly.
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little_willy
08-07 06:06 PM
I hope you are talking to an attorney regarding your situation, do not rely on forum information alone.
AFAIK, H-1 or F-1 for your future wife appears to be the best bet. Good Luck!
AFAIK, H-1 or F-1 for your future wife appears to be the best bet. Good Luck!
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saketkapur
11-21 04:25 PM
I-485s Not Tracked by Priority Date
A question was asked about the volume of employment-based I-485 Application for Adjustment of Status cases pending with NSC as of April 2008. Also asked was how many of the cases had current priority dates. The NSC advised that they had, at that time, approximately 190,000 EB I-485s. They also clarified that they do not track cases solely by priority date. While we are aware that cases were not tracked by priority dates, from the questions we receive, it is worth reiterating to our readers. Our firm see questions, frequently accompanied by outrage, asking why I-485 cases with later priority dates are approved prior to those with earlier priority dates. The answer is simply that the USCIS service centers do not re-sort or track I-485s solely based upon priority dates. Case processing is based upon filing date, but I-485s cannot be approved if the priority date is not current. The NSC also referenced the need for an I-485 to be what they refer to as "viable" in order to be approved. Viable cases are those with approved I-140 petitions, clean fingerprint and name-check results (or name checks pending over 180 days), as well as being eligible for visa issuance, based upon priority date.
A question was asked about the volume of employment-based I-485 Application for Adjustment of Status cases pending with NSC as of April 2008. Also asked was how many of the cases had current priority dates. The NSC advised that they had, at that time, approximately 190,000 EB I-485s. They also clarified that they do not track cases solely by priority date. While we are aware that cases were not tracked by priority dates, from the questions we receive, it is worth reiterating to our readers. Our firm see questions, frequently accompanied by outrage, asking why I-485 cases with later priority dates are approved prior to those with earlier priority dates. The answer is simply that the USCIS service centers do not re-sort or track I-485s solely based upon priority dates. Case processing is based upon filing date, but I-485s cannot be approved if the priority date is not current. The NSC also referenced the need for an I-485 to be what they refer to as "viable" in order to be approved. Viable cases are those with approved I-140 petitions, clean fingerprint and name-check results (or name checks pending over 180 days), as well as being eligible for visa issuance, based upon priority date.
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srikondoji
07-10 08:01 AM
In my opinion, we should not spend any resources on this guy and or to oppose who oppose our views.
We should stick to getting our goals achieved instead of fighting those who are fighting us.
Dear IV Core - our next media effort must be to expose the lies that Lou Dobbs creates to spread hatred.
Believe me, it is people like Lou Dobbs who are playing these dirty games.
We must take excerpts frrm his interviews and expose all his lies.
What do you all think?
We should stick to getting our goals achieved instead of fighting those who are fighting us.
Dear IV Core - our next media effort must be to expose the lies that Lou Dobbs creates to spread hatred.
Believe me, it is people like Lou Dobbs who are playing these dirty games.
We must take excerpts frrm his interviews and expose all his lies.
What do you all think?
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gauravsh
02-21 01:07 PM
Can you please tell where are you located ?
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Jimi_Hendrix
12-04 06:49 PM
this sounds more like, "Ok so you say the glass is half full, why is that great now?"
It is a feel good factor; you still want to be cynical, go right ahead, no one can take that away from you.
Yeah I get that the money will be transferred from the Social security system here to the Indian Govt system.
My point is it does not do a damn thing for us workers personally. That money will dissapear into a dark hole in the Indian Gov't coffers instead of a dark hole here, further as the rules stand, I have a slim chance of getting the money from here through social security payments when I turn 65 even if I am in India. Try that within the money in Indian gov't hands.
On the other hand, it makes the Indian gov't allign with corporate america, as they all have a vested interest in a Temp. worker program such as H1b absent green cards. Which will be a win win for all concerned except us.
So I repeat my question..................Why is this good again?
It is a feel good factor; you still want to be cynical, go right ahead, no one can take that away from you.
Yeah I get that the money will be transferred from the Social security system here to the Indian Govt system.
My point is it does not do a damn thing for us workers personally. That money will dissapear into a dark hole in the Indian Gov't coffers instead of a dark hole here, further as the rules stand, I have a slim chance of getting the money from here through social security payments when I turn 65 even if I am in India. Try that within the money in Indian gov't hands.
On the other hand, it makes the Indian gov't allign with corporate america, as they all have a vested interest in a Temp. worker program such as H1b absent green cards. Which will be a win win for all concerned except us.
So I repeat my question..................Why is this good again?
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hpandey
07-13 02:16 PM
Congrats Brother .. Patience finally paid off. Hope you see better times ahead. Indeed a very long journey. :)
Thanks for donating to IV and supporting our cause. I
Thanks for donating to IV and supporting our cause. I
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12-20 11:00 AM
GOD! This is the best news I have heard this year ! I am yet to read the document in detail. Thanks for digging this out...
After being in the dark for so long...
After being in the dark for so long...
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07-21 09:03 PM
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nixstor
06-26 12:00 PM
I am not saying Thanks and Good bye, As you see even after my GC I am still responding to your message. I am fully supporting the VI initiative. but the problem is that USCIS will do only what they think it is right and not what is really right. Me being in the Q for so long , I will never forget the Horrors of waiting for GC, even after getting the GC.
We as indians are divided lots in every area, we are like CRABS. certainly I am not one of those CRABS, My friends will give a ample proof about that.
In matter of fact, As a community, we are not PROUD about OURSELVES and our HINDU CULTURE, we cannot make any DHARMIC efforts to come under ONE UMBRELLA and fight for our cause. IV is one initiative, which is good but not enough, because do we get any help from our Indian Embassy or any Indian Organisation in America to support us, NEVER. this is because we DONOT LOOK UPTO OUR INNER VOICE AS HINDUS. I am not saying this to you in particular, I am referencing this as an INDIAN COMMUNITY. SO PLEASE NOTHING PERSONAL.
every one of us is a GOOD PRACTISING HINDU BECAUSE WE LIVE LIFE WITH OUR DHARMIC VALUES AND PRINCIPLES. IT IS TIME TO COME TOGATHER AND IMPLEMENT THOSE VALUES AS A HINDU SOCIETY.
thanks for your suggestion i really appreciate that.
:)
Dont mean to flame you, but you say that you are not a crab and the next moment you bring up religion, faith, Indian etc and associate that to IV's
goal.
We as indians are divided lots in every area, we are like CRABS. certainly I am not one of those CRABS, My friends will give a ample proof about that.
In matter of fact, As a community, we are not PROUD about OURSELVES and our HINDU CULTURE, we cannot make any DHARMIC efforts to come under ONE UMBRELLA and fight for our cause. IV is one initiative, which is good but not enough, because do we get any help from our Indian Embassy or any Indian Organisation in America to support us, NEVER. this is because we DONOT LOOK UPTO OUR INNER VOICE AS HINDUS. I am not saying this to you in particular, I am referencing this as an INDIAN COMMUNITY. SO PLEASE NOTHING PERSONAL.
every one of us is a GOOD PRACTISING HINDU BECAUSE WE LIVE LIFE WITH OUR DHARMIC VALUES AND PRINCIPLES. IT IS TIME TO COME TOGATHER AND IMPLEMENT THOSE VALUES AS A HINDU SOCIETY.
thanks for your suggestion i really appreciate that.
:)
Dont mean to flame you, but you say that you are not a crab and the next moment you bring up religion, faith, Indian etc and associate that to IV's
goal.
seahawks
01-20 06:28 PM
Sent mine, who is next. Come on, this is something that does not take too much effort, make a difference. Together WE must do what it takes. All it takes is the write/print a letter, send one to the President and one to IV.
Yes We CAN.. But it takes you and me to make the WE! Stop putting it off for later or feeling you don't count.
Yes We CAN.. But it takes you and me to make the WE! Stop putting it off for later or feeling you don't count.
pani_6
03-21 11:27 AM
We need to talk in a single voice...can you prepare state chapters's talking points..plz..other materials that people use to effectively utilize the limited time with the senators..
Great Effort!
Great Effort!
